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Interesting article:
http://sexwork.ie/2013/01/30/magdalene-laundry-photos-discovered/
Reminds me of a series I watched recently:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1844624/
Found this interesting article read here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jun/08/irealnd-magdalene-laundries-scandal-un
quote from it:
Ireland locked up more of its citizens per capita than anywhere else in the world – not in prisons, but in psychiatric hospitals, Magdalene laundries and industrial schools. Anyone who did not fit within the cruelly narrow definition of good behaviour was in danger.
http://i.imgur.com/hOmc2Nv.jpgWomen in one of Ireland's Magdalene laundries in the 1940s. Photograph: Roz Sinclair/Testimony Films
Another one: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2003/feb/16/features.review1
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LaBelleThatcher
01-02-13, 14:54
Lest we forget...these ladies were people, just like us, built for all the same hopes, dreams, bitching, drunken 3ams and purchase of too many shoes...
Every one of them held prisoner by these monstrous orders was EXACTLY like one of us being held in the exact same way.
What those orders did was no better than Dachau and beyond forgiveness...and now they want to reincarnate the same principles for a new century.
One word:
NO!
saoirsemac
01-02-13, 16:55
i know high park very well
long story short i worked there for one week in its now nursing home
the director of nursing is a nun still
the dinning rooms are seperated one for nuns and one for the women remaining form the laundry
the nuns one be alot nicer btw
while escorting a patient (an inmate for want of a better word) who had difficulty moving we met two of the eledry sisters in the corridor
the sisters expected that one to stand aside and bow her head as they passed, the lady did it and i asked why? she said for her shame if she didnt the sisters would be mad
another day in the day room, one of the patients suffering dementia was shouting a sister (one of the residents) walked over and hit her calling her a stupid woman and she should be praying for her soul
no one batted an eyelid this sister was 90 but of sound mind, she had no excuse bar been a well a cunt
i handed in my notice that day, the laundries may be closed but the abuse goes on,
LaBelleThatcher
01-02-13, 18:00
the dinning rooms are seperated one for nuns and one for the women remaining form the laundry
the nuns one be alot nicer btw
while escorting a patient (an inmate for want of a better word) who had difficulty moving we met two of the eledry sisters in the corridor
the sisters expected that one to stand aside and bow her head as they passed, the lady did it and i asked why? she said for her shame if she didnt the sisters would be mad
I remember hearing all of the above before...wasn't there eventually some kind of scandal about it? Not in the context of the Laundries, but in the context of equality legislation? If I remember rightly they had to integrate the dining areas and the nuns did NOT like that.
They were horrible people, and the attitude of Ruhama still remains the same.
I was often in their office in Stillorgan a few times because their (then) office manager was a personal friend...the actual Ruhama staff tried to talk to you as if you were a child, it was too degrading and humiliating to deal with them.
saoirsemac
01-02-13, 20:04
I remember hearing all of the above before...wasn't there eventually some kind of scandal about it? Not in the context of the Laundries, but in the context of equality legislation? If I remember rightly they had to integrate the dining areas and the nuns did NOT like that.
They were horrible people, and the attitude of Ruhama still remains the same.
I was often in their office in Stillorgan a few times because their (then) office manager was a personal friend...the actual Ruhama staff tried to talk to you as if you were a child, it was too degrading and humiliating to deal with them.
chick put it this way, i was having a laugh with a patient about someone on tv, messing saying u have him on ur arm
the patients where in stictes laughing and enjoying themselves
i got pulled up for it for inapprioate conversation, there was no mention of sex etc, just mentioned a good looking man and one of the patient was saying she loved george clooney,
i didnt even collect my wages, there a disgrace
there was about 23 patients who where nuns and 21 of them where sactamious bitches and the director of nursing sister brush up her hole, lets not go there the pharse in my day was common with her and the words after usual vile i reported them to hiqa also
regarding this incident
i was told once to leave a patient whom soiled herself and i was heading to change and o yeah she suffered bed sores so really important she was clean and fresh and even taking that out, she is in our care and deserves treatment
but i was told wait and go instead to get tea for one of the sisters
needless to say i didnt go get the tea and attended my patient in need first
geniue i think if i didnt quit i wud have been fired, nothing wrong wit professional skill and care of patients but because i dnt stand for bullshit like
me resigning was an intreasting conversation to say the least, i like to leave it all out o and that i bloody did to sister brush up her hole
saoirsemac
01-02-13, 20:09
btw im catholic i never had or will have issue praying with a patient if it brings them comfort, but saying that i have prayed with prostestant and jewish patients, while i do not believe in the catholic church as such, reilgon does bring comfort
nd if i can provide comfort i will, the idealism of reilgon ive no issue with
just organisation like the catholic church in this country are scum and nothing but!
Half Man and Half Dildo
01-02-13, 20:51
Saoirse, your posts make interesting reading.
Imagine if you were to give evidence against the Ruhama nuns in court !!!
saoirsemac
01-02-13, 21:02
Saoirse, your posts make interesting reading.
Imagine if you were to give evidence against the Ruhama nuns in court !!!
id image i wudnt get work very easily within the hse and dismissed and the my past as an escort throw in to discredit me
i also did law as my first degree, i know how it works and if there brief is worth the paper there quailifications where printed on
that wud be the outcome,
would be admitely how i wud discredit a witness statement, but hey ho good thing i didnt become a barraister eh
btw im catholic i never had or will have issue praying with a patient if it brings them comfort, but saying that i have prayed with prostestant and jewish patients, while i do not believe in the catholic church as such, reilgon does bring comfort
nd if i can provide comfort i will, the idealism of reilgon ive no issue with
just organisation like the catholic church in this country are scum and nothing but!
Well said Saoirse. Very interesting and thought provoking posts. You are morally so far above these people they are not fit to tie your shoe for you .. and you a whore (to use your own words... no offence intended). Wonderful irony! You are a million times a better human being than the lot of them!
It would be wonderful to have Saoirse giving evidence against the Ruhama nuns in court !!!
Wow, good insight, I don't want you to give an answer here of when it was but, nursing homes are held more accountable in recent years. I think they should be reported.
Oh! and I second that Rocker123. could not have put it better myself
saoirsemac
01-02-13, 22:07
Wow, good insight, I don't want you to give an answer here of when it was but, nursing homes are held more accountable in recent years. I think they should be reported.
Oh! and I second that Rocker123. could not have put it better myself
reporting not easy for those who work there, live comes hard and owners talk esp in private
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but thankful confidential lines are available and personal i feel since i first did a days work in one in my teens (use volunteer)
to now it has so improved now some health and saftey procedures are not fit for purpose of course
and not all reiligous led homes are bad, i volunteer when i can hard when touring in a hosipice to keep my skills
and there nuns there that hand on heart are good and decent people, full of compassion
i do believe its the order they where in that caused some to be vile even in high park there was 1 or 2 who where lovely and even the patients said they where always
some went along as they didnt know another way to stop, its baffling been honest, not everyone wud walk out of a job the way i did i had the luxury to do that,
and as i said confidential lines and hiqa are doing there bit, even tho hiqa can be a wee bit ott on the regulations and naive
and yes btw i believe i have more intigurity and honesty and compassion as ''whore'' than those wearing crosses preeching and punishing and doing so called gods work, end of the day i would never judge who my patient was my duty was always to care for them,
i even use to treat those evil abusers with respect and compassion even tho they did not deserve it, if i didnt i was no better than them, and leaving myself down,
as rocker said go figure the harlot with heart vs the saint with hidden horns
reporting not easy for those who work there, live comes hard and owners talk esp in private
(
but thankful confidential lines are available and personal i feel since i first did a days work in one in my teens (use volunteer)
to now it has so improved now some health and saftey procedures are not fit for purpose of course
and not all reiligous led homes are bad, i volunteer when i can hard when touring in a hosipice to keep my skills
and there nuns there that hand on heart are good and decent people, full of compassion
i do believe its the order they where in that caused some to be vile even in high park there was 1 or 2 who where lovely and even the patients said they where always
some went along as they didnt know another way to stop, its baffling been honest, not everyone wud walk out of a job the way i did i had the luxury to do that,
and as i said confidential lines and hiqa are doing there bit, even tho hiqa can be a wee bit ott on the regulations and naive
and yes btw i believe i have more intigurity and honesty and compassion as ''whore'' than those wearing crosses preeching and punishing and doing so called gods work, end of the day i would never judge who my patient was my duty was always to care for them,
i even use to treat those evil abusers with respect and compassion even tho they did not deserve it, if i didnt i was no better than them, and leaving myself down,
as rocker said go figure the harlot with heart vs the saint with hidden horns
No contest. Give me the harlot with heart any day and you Saoirse have a huge heart (all be it wrapped up in a body that is an "occasion of sin".. lovely expression that! lol
saoirsemac
01-02-13, 22:27
No contest. Give me the harlot with heart any day and you Saoirse have a huge heart (all be it wrapped up in a body that is an "occasion of sin".. lovely expression that! lol
but society wud leave the vulerenble in the care of a nun over me
as i pose society a danger u know due my herion addictions thieving etc
lol there a great clip form the savage eye actual cant post as has children
but i love it,
scence is ambulence outside a house old woman been taken away, and her daughter runs out someone mind my baby
and she has two option outside the gate a junkie, goign a jaysus im great with children or a priest going ill mind the baby
and the mother hands the child to the junkie and gives the priest a scornful look
u shud find it, savage eye catholic church has some funny skits in it
I am an old man.. so i would choose "The Whore With A Heart" over "A Bitch With A Cross" any day..Thanks Saoirse! What you have told in your posts helps us "Lucky Ones" understand more the Hell these bitchs created in the lives of the women in the "Laundries" AKA Concentration Camps.:mad:
LaBelleThatcher
02-02-13, 06:34
reporting not easy for those who work there, live comes hard and owners talk esp in private
I can confirm that, I have been holding a serious complaint of a similar nature against a very different residential service provider for nearly 2 years. The complainant (who left after a few weeks) cannot live with making it official because it might cost the good people on staff jobs they need to support their families.
Truth is that a young girl, who left after a week (flightly young girl?) would not have had a chance of making such a complaint stick
, and might even have attracted false counter accusations or similar.
Here is is, the first HIQA report, highlighting EXACTLY the concerns you raise (under "quality of the service"), still in place in 2010:
http://www.hiqa.ie/system/files/inspectionreports/0115_Beechlawn_House_Nursing_Home_23.3.10.pdf
The excuses sound SO REASONABLE...but why not? The same nuns had spent most of their working lives concocting reasonable sounding excuses for running concentration camps.
saoirsemac
02-02-13, 11:08
sorry i dont think its fair for calling me flighty coz i left a place that mistreated patients
i was merely very hirable and was in a new job in a day so please dont make assumptions, i kept the same summer job throughout my teens and winter one.
are u persuming im flighy coz im a hooker lebelle? then ur feeding a sterotype i just wont work for that lot
remember i mentioned not all hookers are hookers coz they dont have choice? yeah love i am one of them
but i choose to make 200e an hour over 14,50e an hour working in nursing homes or making 3000e a month as an underwriter
why, i will get back to collage quicker to achieve my goals coz i dont settle for second best if i can achieve it
not all of us are screwed up and desperate dear
LaBelleThatcher
02-02-13, 11:47
sorry i dont think its fair for calling me flighty coz i left a place that mistreated patients
Ah Saoirse cop yourself on and stop being defensive for the feck of it (and an excuse to snipe as me as per usual :rolleyes:)...you only wind up looking as if you have a lot to hide. :o
"Flighty" is simply an example of one of the more polite things the nuns might well have called you if you had made a formal complaint... but why not read the HIQA report that CONFIRMS AND VALIDATES all you saw and see the kind of pathetic excuses they made in 2010?
saoirsemac
02-02-13, 12:03
Ah Saoirse cop yourself on and stop being defensive for the feck of it (and an excuse to snipe as me as per usual :rolleyes:)...you only wind up looking as if you have a lot to hide. :o
"Flighty" is simply an example of one of the more polite things the nuns might well have called you if you had made a formal complaint... but why not read the HIQA report that CONFIRMS AND VALIDATES all you saw and see the kind of pathetic excuses they made in 2010?
sorry im winding up? u are the one who called me flighty in wat was a very civil thread u choose to aim for the insult.
u could have made it clearly dear, that THEY would have called me flighty but it looked very much that u where assuming that
and we know u persume escorts are only escorts as they are forced by econimcal factors and have few other choices
a claim i have destain for sorry.......
some women enjoy sex work u know, i know i have its one if the best choices ive made and its allowed me to truly enjoy my 20s
but i have 0 issue with sex, i was shagging all around me anyway i just simple charge now depends on ur attitude to actual sex i guess
LaBelleThatcher
02-02-13, 12:10
sorry im winding up? u are the one who called me flighty in wat was a very civil thread u choose to aim for the insult.
u could have made it clearly dear, that THEY would have called me flighty but it looked very much that u where assuming that
and we know u persume escorts are only escorts as they are forced by econimcal factors and have few other choices
a claim i have destain for sorry.......
some women enjoy sex work u know, i know i have its one if the best choices ive made and its allowed me to truly enjoy my 20s
but i have 0 issue with sex, i was shagging all around me anyway i just simple charge now depends on ur attitude to actual sex i guess
(I thought this thread was about the Magdalene Laundries?)
I actually spent about 3 hours digging through old newspaper and similar reports, because I KNEW I had seen it somewhere, until I found the Hiqa report that confirms your experience...people USUALLY find that validating, not to mention a relief to know that something was finally done about it...
...but I guess you are just a bit different...
Article in todays Irish Times on the Magadelen Laundries - apparently the McAleese Report is out on Tuesday - hopefully , the appropriate amount of stink wafts the way of Ruhama and their hypocrisy
Curvaceous Kate
02-02-13, 12:43
Article in todays Irish Times on the Magadelen Laundries - apparently the McAleese Report is out on Tuesday - hopefully , the appropriate amount of stink wafts the way of Ruhama and their hypocrisy
I can smell it from here.
very shy guy
02-02-13, 13:27
I can smell it from here.
A stench worse than fish left out in the sun in a plastic bag for the day.
LaBelleThatcher
02-02-13, 13:32
Be prepared for a LOT of whitewash to go with that though - there always is...
The great shame is that it took 17 years to get this far...and so many of the victims are dead now.
Be prepared for a LOT of whitewash to go with that though - there always is...
The great shame is that it took 17 years to get this far...and so many of the victims are dead now.
Good Auld Ireland strikes again...sure it will all die down when these woman are dead...Til Death Do Us Part...Ring any bells!!