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Shirley Joy
19-11-12, 15:51
Been shocked today arriving in Dublin.
This picture is taken 30 min ago,just across the river from Tara station.
All I can say is "That's not me,nor any other escort I've met in my 8 years in this industry all over Europe,and I've met hundreds,maybe thousands!"
http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/182078_108384752661170_397360048_n.jpg
mature abby
19-11-12, 16:00
Shocking is right Shirley an wrong
saoirsemac
19-11-12, 16:21
WOW JUST FUCKING WOW
but its the church how low they can go is any man guess
funny how they go on, considering they are the greastest traffickers and peadofile rings this country has ever seen
maybe they believe only evil can see evil, more likely they are blinded by it
EnglishAlex
19-11-12, 16:23
Wasn't there a similar campaign in Cork a little while ago?
These people and their marketing. They're low, why can't they admit that we're not all trafficked/forced or too messed up in the head to make the decision to become a sex worker? It doesn't fit with their campaign really does it? A woman who enjoys sex, is over the age of consent and decided to be an escort of her own accord? Noooooooo, we don't exist. We're all victims. I'd love the people behind the campaign to be faced with 10 genuine independents and for it to be aired. They'd get ripped apart.
While trafficking, underage sex and organised crime are real problems, what on earth do they have to do with my choice to become a sex worker? I hate that all the problems are put in one box with escort/victim stamped on.
Rant over, for now :o
WOW JUST FUCKING WOW
but its the church how low they can go is any man guess
funny how they go on, considering they are the greastest traffickers and peadofile rings this country has ever seen
maybe they believe only evil can see evil, more likely they are blinded by it
Liberty hall. Headquarters of siptu trade union, nothing to do with the church.
Blame the people that put up this obtrusive poster. Do they have planning permission for it.
I saw this in a smaller billboard size quite a while back on Dorset st. and another one near Heuston st.
I couldnt fucking believe my eyes at first since they used my name. It would make one sick. It's just wrong on so many levels I'm lost for words.
Sexy Sandy 69
19-11-12, 17:49
Wouldn't it be brilliant if we could hang posters of ourselves saying 'Educated, Independent Escorts Working By Choice', there would hundreds of posters with hundreds of different pictures of escorts compared to thier handful of girls who they CLAIM to be trafficked. And there's the rub, they CLAIM that these girls are trafficked, yet we KNOW we are working by choice.
Sandy x
Been shocked today arriving in Dublin.
This picture is taken 30 min ago,just across the river from Tara station.
All I can say is "That's not me,nor any other escort I've met in my 8 years in this industry all over Europe,and I've met hundreds,maybe thousands!"
http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/182078_108384752661170_397360048_n.jpg
Jesus I was going to post that tonight I saw it this afternoon ..... Good post
EnglishAlex
19-11-12, 18:49
What is the law regarding protests in Ireland? Could a group of people protest outside somewhere important without being arrested?
Those little tables that god squad, anti abortion control freaks and others use - Why can these people make use of these outlets but we cannot? Is there a reason or is it just we're unwilling to face the public?
Seriously, I wonder if we can get permission to do any of the things that people with opposing views are doing to blacken our profession? Like these poster campaigns I mean, those turn off red light people aren't innocent at all. They choose to spread lies, it's very much in their favour to ignore the truth.
On an entirely different note, has anybody got a 20ft wide printer :D
saoirsemac
19-11-12, 19:09
Liberty hall. Headquarters of siptu trade union, nothing to do with the church.
Blame the people that put up this obtrusive poster. Do they have planning permission for it.
its a campaign pushed and supported by ruhuma
ruhuma are run by sister of mercy
so yup the church, they got fingers in many pies
Hypothetical speaking here ! Wouldnt it be interesting to find out who the girl in the pic is and find out if she really worked as an escort ? Maybee a bounty could help ? For all we know she could be a payed model ! If thats the case and gets published , they pissed on there own shoes ... Hypothetical speaking !
Michael was just 9 when he went to help out at his local Parish Church. :(
thehighwayman
19-11-12, 20:57
Hypothetical speaking here ! Wouldnt it be interesting to find out who the girl in the pic is and find out if she really worked as an escort ? Maybee a bounty could help ? For all we know she could be a payed model ! If thats the case and gets published , they pissed on there own shoes ... Hypothetical speaking !
Just what I was thinking Lilian. It wouldn't surprise me if she's a paid model. No doubt they got her outside of Ireland so she wouldn't be recognised. It's no wonder the public have the wrong impression of escorting with campaigns like this.
I bet my ass on that and I wouldnt gamble one of my most valued posessions easily !
They know very well that most of us wouldnt come out in public to stand up for our profession , thats why they dare us with such ill informed slogans and tasteless campaigns !
Anybody able to find out who did this campaign for them ? Shootings design ? Printed the posters ? Gave the licence to hang it up in public ?
this is a real child and it dominates the ad. next biggest is the age: 14 (also plausable)
then the name. the propaganda is in the smallest text. this is designed to influence
passing motorists and pedestrians. not only do they disrespect escorts and their customers,
but they disrespect the neutral Irish public by lying to them. scum.
Half Man and Half Dildo
19-11-12, 21:35
If I'm not mistaken there was someone a while back corresponding with Laura Lee via Twitter who had gone through all the Ruhama and the Immigrant Council of Ireland reports that they had published over the years and listed the supposed entry age into prostitution from each report. The earlier reports cited an older age whilst the more recent reports cited a younger age. I'm fairly certain I saw reference to this on Laura's twitter feed, but even though I searched for it afterwards I couldn't find it. Maybe someone could resurrect it?
Half Man and Half Dildo
19-11-12, 21:55
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I wonder would any of the sex shops around the country consider putting the above sign in their windows?
Hypothetical speaking here ! Wouldnt it be interesting to find out who the girl in the pic is and find out if she really worked as an escort ? Maybee a bounty could help ? For all we know she could be a payed model ! If thats the case and gets published , they pissed on there own shoes ... Hypothetical speaking !
I was thinking the same although from a different perspective.
I automathically asumed that the photo displays a model. I doubt that anyone who was forced into prostitution as a child would want to have their billboard sized photo all over the country where they were forced into prostitution esp if they still were underage which the girl in the picture seems to be. Not to mention that I think that would be illegal.
So I guess we can rule out the possibility of the advert portraing a real victim.
On the other hand, if it is a paid model it would be interesting to know whether she is aware of her pics being used to suggest she worked in prostitution.
I'm sure that if you were a model you wouldnt want the stigma of a former sex worker plastered over your career.
Might be indeed worth it to find the model and see what her take on it is.
The Equalizer
19-11-12, 22:44
TORL, Ruhama and various organisations under the TORL umbrella are supposedly crusading to end human trafficking, exploitation and prostitution in Ireland.
Just Wondering...
The Immigrant Council of Ireland and Ruhama allege that "up to 700 women are for sale on an escorting site (we all know which site they're talking about) in Ireland everyday. We must end this exploitation of women..."
What about the 7000 (minimum) immigrants (legal and illegal. Most likely illegal in this instance) being paid well below minimum wage for working about 60 or 70 hours a week? Why don't the Immigrant Council of Ireland root out the employers who are forcing these individuals to work in such conditions? Those employers are people who should be named and shamed.
I highlighted a number of weeks ago that most of Ruhama's "full time" "staff" are "volunteers" i.e they don't get paid. In addition, many of the aforementioned staff are women, and most of those are non-Irish.
Is this not exploitation of immigrant women by Ruhama. I wonder what the Immigrant Council of Ireland's take is on this?
Ruhama and various other organisations under the TORL umbrella (including the Immigrant Council of Ireland) only communicate with the general public on this "sensitive matter" (we all know what I'm talking about) on their terms (ie through press releases, newspaper interviews etc).
If the Sarah Benson's and the Denise Charlton's of Ireland are all about affording "equal opportunities to all", why don't they engage in a public debate with a sex worker (or sex workers), and allow them to put forward their side of the story?
It is a complete farce and lie on the part of the TORL and their friends!
Underage prostitution or anyone being forced into prostitution is reprehensible and shouldn't be tolerated.
But the current review of legislation on prostitution has nothing to do with underage prostitution!!!! Underage prostitution is completely illegal and already carries a very serious penalty for any person who visits an underage prostitute. And likewise for traffickers of pimps on underaged girls.
But these liars make out like that's what this review is about!
Truth is they just want to scaremonger the public into suppoerting their campaing to ban prostitution from Ireland.
The irony is that it is diplayed on a Union building. This union obviously has no intention of protecting the working rights of escorts!
LaBelleThatcher
20-11-12, 13:32
Hypothetical speaking here ! Wouldnt it be interesting to find out who the girl in the pic is and find out if she really worked as an escort ? Maybee a bounty could help ? For all we know she could be a payed model ! If thats the case and gets published , they pissed on there own shoes ... Hypothetical speaking !
If she really *WAS* 14 at the time of the photo, there are very serious legal issues there, and if she really was a sex worker there are even more serious legal issues...
My hands are tied by a condition called "as poor as a church mouse" but there is nothing to stop any of you getting together and hiring a solicitor to challenge this cr*p...absolutely anonymously.
LaBelleThatcher
20-11-12, 14:00
If I'm not mistaken there was someone a while back corresponding with Laura Lee via Twitter who had gone through all the Ruhama and the Immigrant Council of Ireland reports that they had published over the years and listed the supposed entry age into prostitution from each report. The earlier reports cited an older age whilst the more recent reports cited a younger age. I'm fairly certain I saw reference to this on Laura's twitter feed, but even though I searched for it afterwards I couldn't find it. Maybe someone could resurrect it?
That is absolutely true, and ANYONE can go over to http://sexwork.ie/2012/08/26/irish-prostitution-research/ and look at the reports from Ruhama et al going back to 1994 (the WHP reports were compiled jointly with Ruhama) and you will find the average age of entry into sex work is, consistently, MUCH higher than 14.
Look at the table on page 8:
http://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/5616/1/2030-023Women.pdf
Can't find any reference to age on this one but it is the research from which most of this campaign is drawn NB the broad range of opinion sought from sex workers:
http://www.ihrc.ie/publications/list/interdisciplinary-report-on-prostitution-in-irelan-1/
"Finally, semi-structured interviews were carried out with three men, two of whom were currently engaged in prostitution, while a further four interviews were conducted with four women, three of whom were currently involved. This small sample was again selective and purposive. Several agencies assisted with recruitment of the three men and two women, while one woman was known to the interviewer and recruited a colleague to participate."
Here is the root of "Child Sex Worker" propaganda in Ireland:
http://www.lenus.ie/hse/bitstream/10147/46229/1/961.pdf
I mention it because, while I have never seen a 14 year old (anywhere) look as childlike as "Anna" I have seen a 13 year old who did...by coincidence the very same 13 year old who was reported to one of the main instigators of that report as abducted by an adult male. This person took the rather innovative approach of standing back while the man in question was trained and groomed by the HSE to work in childcare until a major sex scandal involving an institution in which he was heavily involved broke, after which he rapidly retrained to work with vulnerable adults.
Perhaps the big Health Board Honcho started a child prostitution witchhunt as a conscientious overreaction to realising what they had enabled, but frankly, if they have a conscience, I have never seen a trace of it, nor have any of several mutual aquaintances.
I mention this because it ABSOLUTELY SICKENS ME to put the pieces together and realise where all the sprang from and how all this panned out.
Jack in the Box
25-11-12, 22:01
It is a very offensive and inflammatory poster. There was some good ideas to counter attack these scum thrown up in this thread.
I would have though that it is a very serious matter to associate someone wrongly with child abuse. Think of Lord McAlpine in Britain. If plenty of us throw €100 each into a pool to hire a solicitor to challenge these posters it could be the best €100 you ever spent.
Sex workers and others should work on our own posters to put on billboards. TOTBL had a great Google ad. I don't see why sexwork.ie shouldn't have a Google ad.
It's bad enough having Swedish make lorries and buses on Dublin's quays without having to look at this disgusting poster as well. We should start investigating any businesses associated with the Labour party, unions or figures who support TOTRL and then boycott them.
Half Man and Half Dildo
25-11-12, 23:23
It is a very offensive and inflammatory poster. There was some good ideas to counter attack these scum thrown up in this thread.
I would have though that it is a very serious matter to associate someone wrongly with child abuse. Think of Lord McAlpine in Britain. If plenty of us throw €100 each into a pool to hire a solicitor to challenge these posters it could be the best €100 you ever spent.
Sex workers and others should work on our own posters to put on billboards. TOTBL had a great Google ad. I don't see why sexwork.ie shouldn't have a Google ad.
It's bad enough having Swedish make lorries and buses on Dublin's quays without having to look at this disgusting poster as well. We should start investigating any businesses associated with the Labour party, unions or figures who support TOTRL and then boycott them.
The owners of the sex shops around the country should be contacted and asked if they would place posters in their windows.
I was in one about 6 months ago and I said to the guy working there that if Ruhama had their way you would be closed down, to which he replied "Fuck those shower of cunts" or something like that.
The Equalizer
26-11-12, 23:14
They know very well that most of us wouldnt come out in public to stand up for our profession , thats why they dare us with such ill informed slogans and tasteless campaigns !
Anybody able to find out who did this campaign for them ? Shootings design ? Printed the posters ? Gave the licence to hang it up in public ?
I couldn't agree more with what you just said; TORL know full well that most sex workers would not come out in public to defend their profession as there is such a negative stigma attached to sex workers (in Ireland at least), and if we are perfectly honest, there is a generally negative perception of sex work and sex workers (at least in Ireland), and this negative perception of the sex industry is mostly due to the lies being spun by the likes of TORL. (I also saw that 20 foot x 20 foot banner hanging from Liberty Hall in person, with my own eyes, and I could hardly believe what I was seeing).
Ruhama and TORL know that there is such a negative stigma and negative perception of the sex industry and sex workers (largely thanks to the lies put forward by Ruhama and TORL) in Ireland.
And they know that sex workers know this too, and are using this to their own advantage. Like the cowardly schoolyard bully who only picks on those too weak to fight back or that has nobody to stand up for them, Ruhama and TORL continue to spew lies and brainwash a generally decent (yet unfortunately slightly gullible) general public.
There are ways for sex workers in Ireland to counter TORL's negative, skewed and fabricated propaganda and tell the truth about sex workers and the sex industry, but I will not post them in a public forum as I know that "certain individuals from certain organisations" view this site and it's contents. If anybody wants to find out more about what I mean, feel free to PM me.
LaBelleThatcher
27-11-12, 22:18
Has anyone tried a complaint to the advertising standards office...and maybe the office of the Censor (they used have HUGE power)?
LaBelleThatcher
02-12-12, 12:38
If they do not have planning permission, let's get that offensive mutha down:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0907/1224323695625.html
LaBelleThatcher
05-12-12, 14:27
the poster has been removed from the building
Thank Heavens for that!
But I have heard a rumour that they have "something big planned" (and yes, it was put in those arch, gangster movie, words too) that they have managed to keep totally secret....
The Equalizer
18-12-12, 16:59
Re: Ruhama and TORL
They'd better not spout
Any more lies
They'd better watch out
I'm telling you why
Equalizer's coming to town
Re: Ruhama and TORL
They'd better not spout
Any more lies
They'd better watch out
I'm telling you why
Equalizer's coming to town
I actually had the Michael Buble version of that in my head whilst reading this lovely anecdote :)
The Equalizer
19-12-12, 01:08
Keeping the EI Community Informed
Last night, there was a user by the name 'redlight' posting in this section of this website, and I tell you now I could not believe the message that they posted.
They posted a message that was pro TORL, and I could hardly believe what I was reading (I checked the profile 'redlight', and their profile was created on 18/12/2012; 'redlight' has since removed the message that they posted, and in addition, upon searching through the 'Member List' section of the EI Community, they had removed their profile from the EI Community. [I PMed other members alerting them of 'redlight', however I am now posting this incident in the public forum as to alert the EI community as to who are snooping around this website.]).
It is obvious who 'redlight' is/is working on behalf of/is closely affiliated to.
Did anyone else come across the user/poster 'redlight'?
If anyone has anything to comment on this matter, please feel free to reply to me publicly via 'thread reply', or by PM if you have anything to add/ask/suggest in this regard that you don't want the likes of 'redlight' to read.
Watching your back,
The Equalizer
The Equalizer
21-12-12, 23:10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEzwz9LJwGwSpeaking of advertising campaigns, take a look what I found.
Could you imagine....
Wouldn't it be brilliant if we could hang posters of ourselves saying 'Educated, Independent Escorts Working By Choice', there would hundreds of posters with hundreds of different pictures of escorts compared to thier handful of girls who they CLAIM to be trafficked. And there's the rub, they CLAIM that these girls are trafficked, yet we KNOW we are working by choice.
Sandy x. I've long had an idea where each of us would post a short YouTube video ( it originally was a30 sec ad of epic proportions til reality hit me in the face) shirtless all shots from the lips down. I.e shot so noones identity-not even through their voice- is revealed. I had essentially thrown up the premise here but after reading certain words about who might also be stalking the boards, I decided to hastily edit....but I has script...if anyone's interested
LaBelleThatcher
25-12-12, 13:42
. I've long had an idea where each of us would post a short YouTube video ( it originally was a30 sec ad of epic proportions til reality hit me in the face)
You mean the bit where Boris Johnson and the Queen parachute hand in hand has been cut? :(
shirtless all shots from the lips down. I.e shot so noones identity-not even through their voice- is revealed. I had essentially thrown up the premise here but after reading certain words about who might also be stalking the boards, I decided to hastily edit....but I has script...if anyone's interested
I think this could work, just don't argue with the "Turn of the Red Light" campaign AS SUCH, because they have used high rent ad and PR people (oh the innocent, spontaneuos, concern for other women :rolleyes:) to craft that so that direct argument and counters will alienate the general public.
I pm you...
the worst thing about all this is that the turn off the redlight campaigners don't even care about escorts, they just want to impose their moral views on everybody else. Any campaigners, who resort to making up statistics and denigrating escorts who speak the truth, only care about themselves.
LaBelleThatcher
25-12-12, 18:41
the worst thing about all this is that the turn off the redlight campaigners don't even care about escorts, they just want to impose their moral views on everybody else. Any campaigners, who resort to making up statistics and denigrating escorts who speak the truth, only care about themselves.
I am afraid they haven't even got any "moral views" either they just want big salaries, and lots, and lots of CONTROL (the short version of "why" is so that they never have to face their own mortality...but it really is FAR more complicated, selfish, and, frankly, disgusting, than that. :( )
I am afraid they haven't even got any "moral views" either they just want big salaries, and lots, and lots of CONTROL (the short version of "why" is so that they never have to face their own mortality...but it really is FAR more complicated, selfish, and, frankly, disgusting, than that. :( )
a little harsh even for them, I believe that all humans have at least a small degree of morality, for example even Hitler had a gentle affinity for dogs.
we shouldn't completely deny them their humanity by saying they have no morality the way they do to escorts, otherwise it makes us just as bad as they are.
or maybe I'm just too optimistic..
LaBelleThatcher
25-12-12, 22:34
a little harsh even for them, I believe that all humans have at least a small degree of morality, for example even Hitler had a gentle affinity for dogs.
we shouldn't completely deny them their humanity by saying they have no morality the way they do to escorts, otherwise it makes us just as bad as they are.
or maybe I'm just too optimistic..
You are too optimistic I am afraid. :(
It's an open secret throughout the whole NGO sector (most of which is not much better, and even worse), the more helpless and dependent your "user group", the more money they are worth to you, in funding, salaries and expenses.
They have set themselves up as a static, elite "ruling class", like a new aristocracy, with more money, power and status than everybody else, governed by different rules to everybody else...
...and as long as they can advance and protect that status they literally could not care less how much damage they do.
You are too optimistic I am afraid. :(
It's an open secret throughout the whole NGO sector (most of which is not much better, and even worse), the more helpless and dependent your "user group", the more money they are worth to you, in funding, salaries and expenses.
They have set themselves up as a static, elite "ruling class", like a new aristocracy, with more money, power and status than everybody else, governed by different rules to everybody else...
...and as long as they can advance and protect that status they literally could not care less how much damage they do.
When you reach a position of power, it's easy to become out of touch with reality.
I still believe a lot of people get caught up with these campaigns who genuinely think they're doing the right thing, as always it's the people at the top who have ulterior motives. I'm not making an excuse for their ignorance but it is hard to gather facts and figures about the escorting world for most people. My primary concern is that if the Swedish Model is implemented, the trafficking will increase along with dangerous clients. I would gladly give up visiting escorts if they promise to never implement the disgusting Swedish Model.
The Equalizer
26-12-12, 16:01
Proponents of Swedish-style legislation (whereby only clients are penalized) allege that said legislation will afford those whom come into contact with clients (the clients families, as well as the independent sex worker themselves) a sense of freedom and fairness, where they will not be subject to any negative implications.
Swedish-style legislation is flaw-ridden (as has been well documented), poses severe negative implications for those it supposedly serves to "protect" (namely independent sex workers), and in addition, suggestions by Ruhama and TORL for additional penalties to those already in place in Swedish-style legislation (Ruhama and TORL are calling for "naming and shaming" of clients, as well as notification of "clients conduct" to their employers) will pose severe negative implications for persons whom may have never come into contact with an independent sex worker. See below:
If clients of independent sex workers are "named and shamed" in newspapers/on radio etc. (and especially if the client's address is published) the client's family may (and most likely would be) subject to harassment by neighbors, schoolmates, work colleagues etc.
If an employer of a client is notified as to his "immoral conduct", said employer may "feel obliged" to terminate the clients Contract of Employment (even if he/she didn't want to terminate said Contract). This loss of employment would not only have negative implications for the client, but also for others whom may be financially dependent on him.
If a client of an independent sex worker loses his employment, the State will be obliged to support him by way of Social Security Benefits. These figures (in terms of Social Security Benefits) multiplied by potentially hundreds (or possibly thousands) of newly unemployed clients would lead to a massive burden and strain to the Exchequer.
Lack of intimacy is a contributing factor in depression. In alot of instances (and for even more reasons), this intimacy may only be achieved by visiting an independent sex worker. Depression is a debilitating illness with severe implications for sufferers, but also their family and friends, as well as their employers (especially for their employers in terms of lost work-days and poor performance at work as a result of the effects of depression).
There are many more points which could be made in this regard; the above are in addition to points that I (and other members of the EI community [and others not connected to the EI community]) have already made.
LaBelleThatcher
26-12-12, 17:27
When you reach a position of power, it's easy to become out of touch with reality.
I still believe a lot of people get caught up with these campaigns who genuinely think they're doing the right thing, as always it's the people at the top who have ulterior motives. I'm not making an excuse for their ignorance but it is hard to gather facts and figures about the escorting world for most people. My primary concern is that if the Swedish Model is implemented, the trafficking will increase along with dangerous clients. I would gladly give up visiting escorts if they promise to never implement the disgusting Swedish Model.
The people caught up in it are clueless - life is hard work, even TDs don't have the time to understand a third of the things they vote on.
It's all the same trick a religious cult would use:
Do you want to help and protect prostitutes?
Do you want to save young children from sexual abuse?
Do you want to fight pimps and traffickers?
Do you want to keep organised crime out of your area?
If yes to all the above, please support us and we'll take care of it for you...
...and most people say:
"That's nice dear", because they haven't got the TIME to stop and ask just how they plan to do that, or whether it will work, or even whether they are telling the truth. They are just relieved they don't have to worry about all those problems any more...and getting on with the problems they *DO* have to worry about.
It is years before they realise they have been conned, and by that time there is a good excuse and a new scam ready to take them in.
I watch the same patterns in other NGO sectors all the time...it's like "1984" where lies are called truth, and war is called love.
Take a look at these:
http://sexwork.ie/2012/12/20/foi-hse-dublin-south-east-re-ruhama/
Look at the small print, the terms on which grants are given, the routine assumptions...the euphemisms for junketting ("developing relationships with other stakeholders) paid for as "service provision"...
...and there is no money left in the HSE kitty for the people who need it...
The people leading this know EXACTLY what they are doing, and do not care.
The people leading this know EXACTLY what they are doing, and do not care.
No doubt about that, to be successful in business and politics you have to be ruthless in the current climate, these people don't have any human feelings towards escorts and that's mostly to do with how little contact they've had with working girls outside of politics.
I argue that these blazers are capable of caring for others, for example if you take Don King (ruthless boxing promoter for those of you fortunate enough not to know who he is), it appears he only cares about money but he has children whom he spoils.
The problem is they don't care about humanity in general, just their personal kinships at best. What they don't realise is one day their descendants will pay for their greed. For instance, the E-U alone produced enough food to feed 9 billion people...in the 1970's!! instead of giving the food to poorer countries, they chose to let it rot because they did not want it's value to decrease.
These greedy individuals are the losers because they don't know how to love properly. life is like a supermarket: whatever you take, you have to pay for at the checkout.
LaBelleThatcher
26-12-12, 21:42
These greedy individuals are the losers because they don't know how to love properly. life is like a supermarket: whatever you take, you have to pay for at the checkout.
God I hope so...but remember, they are the same species who hung 10 year olds who stole bread in hunger...and took a picnic to watch...
God I hope so...but remember, they are the same species who hung 10 year olds who stole bread in hunger...and took a picnic to watch...
death is what makes us equal, no amount of money or manipulation will save them anymore than helping other people would; we will all lose everything, but when I see Don King posing with 100$ bills and saying "this is what it's all about", I just think I would hate be him, how dark, rotten and empty he must be on the inside.