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Ladies
Why not email Ruhama admin@ruhama.ie and ask them where you, the independent sex worker by choice fit into their agenda. I'm going to do just that. They need to have pressure put on them. Soon, the Collective Voice will be up and running on all our behalf and Ruhama will be vehemently and relentlessly challenged in the media by the voice of sex workers.
Won't do any harm to make a start now, will it. :)
This is what they claim on their website:
Ruhama is a Dublin-based NGO which works on a national level with women affected by prostitution. Our service is comprehensive to meet the broad range of experiences of women affected by prostitution.
Independent escorts and their needs shouldn't be outside their 'broad range' Let's ask them where we fit in.
Ladies
Why not email Ruhama admin@ruhama.ie and ask them where you, the independent sex worker by choice fit into their agenda. I'm going to do just that. They need to have pressure put on them. Soon, the Collective Voice will be up and running on all our behalfs and Ruhama will be vehemently and relentlessly challenged in the media by the voice of sex workers.
Won't do any harm to make a start now, will it
This is what they claim on their website:
Ruhama is a Dublin-based NGO which works on a national level with women affected by prostitution. Our service is comprehensive to meet the broad range of experiences of women affected by prostitution.
Independent escorts and their needs shouldn't be outside their 'broad range' Let's ask them where we fit in.
Finally, you Ladies are going to use your powers (the magical ones too I hope) :D Certainly from the conference in Dublin the energy, intensity and voice of independent escorts could be felt and is something which needs to be supported in securing what you need.
Finally, you Ladies are going to use your powers (the magical ones too I hope) :D Certainly from the conference in Dublin the energy, intensity and voice of independent escorts could be felt and is something which needs to be supported in securing what you need.
Independent ladies have no intention of taking it lying down ;)
vanessa.escort
23-10-12, 08:15
Good morning,
If they think they can stop Gentlemen enjoy ladys companionship, then they gonna put to prison 100000 people.
If they think they can stop girls to enjoy time with Gentlemen even if they paymoney for that, then 1000 girls put to prison.
Have a good day everybody!!!
(In mine own opinion the biggest problem for somebody is this website, couse somebody make a good money and somebody very high wana shut down this site)
Rachel Divine
23-10-12, 09:41
Good morning,
If they think they can stop Gentlemen enjoy ladys companionship, then they gonna put to prison 100000 people.
If they think they can stop girls to enjoy time with Gentlemen even if they paymoney for that, then 1000 girls put to prison.
Have a good day everybody!!!
(In mine own opinion the biggest problem for somebody is this website, couse somebody make a good money and somebody very high wana shut down this site)
Nobody is going to put in prison that amount of people. It is not possible. Did you know the prisons are full??
Is no intention to make it illegal for the escorts, therefore none will be put in court...
As for E-I, or any website advertising escorts, how do you think it will shut down? Not a single ad on the site? Again, impossible ..
We are posting about the police lack of resources , guys who will still see ladies and ads will be up no matter what law will be , seems you miss those posts..
Curvaceous Kate
23-10-12, 09:45
Nobody is going to put in prison that amount of people. It is not possible. Did you know the prisons are full??
Is no intention to make it illegal for the escorts, therefore none will be put in court...
As for E-I, or any website advertising escorts, how do you think it will shut down? Not a single ad on the site? Again, impossible ..
We are posting about the police lack of resources , guys who will still see ladies and ads will be up no matter what law will be , seems you miss those posts..
That was Vanessa's point. They won't be putting 1000's of men in prison, it's an empty threat and not the real target.
Rachel Divine
23-10-12, 09:46
Ladies
Why not email Ruhama admin@ruhama.ie and ask them where you, the independent sex worker by choice fit into their agenda. I'm going to do just that. They need to have pressure put on them. Soon, the Collective Voice will be up and running on all our behalf and Ruhama will be vehemently and relentlessly challenged in the media by the voice of sex workers.
Won't do any harm to make a start now, will it. :)
This is what they claim on their website:
Ruhama is a Dublin-based NGO which works on a national level with women affected by prostitution. Our service is comprehensive to meet the broad range of experiences of women affected by prostitution.
Independent escorts and their needs shouldn't be outside their 'broad range' Let's ask them where we fit in.
Ruhama talks about a huge amount of women affected by prostitution and their deeply care about women involved in the game.
Working forced or on free will, makes no difference to them , is the man they want to go after with the pretext the majority are trafficked and not indies.
One of Ruhama ladies told me to sacrifice my work for those who are forced to work and she couldnt understand how can I accept having sex without "love" ...!
Rachel Divine
23-10-12, 09:48
That was Vanessa's point. They won't be putting 1000's of men in prison, it's an empty threat and not the real target.
It is a bit dangerous to play sarcastic games when comes to this law. People are easy to scare in Ireland and no need for numbers and again, sarcastic posts...
Lets be positive and realistic please.
vanessa.escort
23-10-12, 10:58
Let girls pay taxs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let everybody work to make Ireland economy stronger!!!!!!!
LaBelleThatcher
23-10-12, 11:10
Ladies
Why not email Ruhama admin@ruhama.ie and ask them where you, the independent sex worker by choice fit into their agenda. I'm going to do just that. They need to have pressure put on them. Soon, the Collective Voice will be up and running on all our behalf and Ruhama will be vehemently and relentlessly challenged in the media by the voice of sex workers.
Won't do any harm to make a start now, will it. :)
This is what they claim on their website:
Ruhama is a Dublin-based NGO which works on a national level with women affected by prostitution. Our service is comprehensive to meet the broad range of experiences of women affected by prostitution.
Independent escorts and their needs shouldn't be outside their 'broad range' Let's ask them where we fit in.
I think this is a bloody excellent idea - and I have another idea to go with it. Why not email TDs and ministers and ask for a full Value for Money Audit of Ruhama, ICI and any other TORL orgs you feel are putting the taxpayers money (and most sex workers are taxpayers too remind them of that) to questionable use or obtaining it under false pretences?
NB, when they were asking for that funding I very much doubt if their stated purpose was to lobby against the stated wishes and best interests of sex workers. Also, some of at least Ruhama's funding used to be (up to 2009, not sure any more) inclusion specific, and I don't think Ruhama have EVER included sex workers at all, on any level. If you or I tried that one on it would be called "fraud".
LaBelleThatcher
23-10-12, 11:13
Independent ladies have no intention of taking it lying down ;)
Not sure that quite came out right Heather? :)
LaBelleThatcher
23-10-12, 11:22
Ruhama talks about a huge amount of women affected by prostitution and their deeply care about women involved in the game.
Working forced or on free will, makes no difference to them , is the man they want to go after with the pretext the majority are trafficked and not indies.
One of Ruhama ladies told me to sacrifice my work for those who are forced to work and she couldnt understand how can I accept having sex without "love" ...!
I have seen people from Ruhama inform other indie escorts that they should be willing to "sacrifice their income to save trafficked women" (just in case we find any in significant numbers), but I have NEVER seen Ruhama people offering to sacrifice any of their *OWN* income to "saving trafficked women" in fact Ruhama probably pays the CEO a bigger salary than many escorts make. THAT salary alone would be enough to allow at least 3 or 4 women who want to give up sex work a real chance to make that change, but apparently, paying one spoilt little madam with the right connections a fortune to act like an adolescent on Facebook and Twitter all day when she is not junketing around misrepresenting sex workers on expenses has a FAR higher priority.
It's very easy to ask "other people" to give up their salary to save the world...conveniently forgetting that in this economy, NOBODY has any guarantee of finding other work if they give up the job they have.
LaBelleThatcher
23-10-12, 12:52
No Brock, Heather is right...let Ruhama explain themselves, to real, human and equal sex workers...(and when they have finished doing *THAT* let them go on to explain all that public money they are misappropriating and wasting to formal auditors and the taxpayer. :) )
I would even be in favour of a group of ladies arriving at Ruhama's office and politely demanding an explanation, face to face.
The TORL culture of finding out how long you have to tell a lie for it to override the truth has now achieved surreal proportions.
It must be challenged, and by the same women they are constantly lying about.
LaBelleThatcher
23-10-12, 16:13
Ruhama won't change their mission statement or policy if a few sex workers emailed them or even turned up at their headquarters demanding them to stop telling lies about you.
I absolutely agree Brock...there is NO BETTER NATURE to appeal to within Ruhama, or TORL, they are not going to have a change of heart, and in order to have an attack of conscience one must first have a conscience...but what is important is that the lies start to fall apart confronted by intelligent, self possessed feminists (any ladies posting on this board who are not feminists, in the real sense of demanding and expecting the same rights for themselves and other women as any man?) who choose (whether from the brink of doom or for other reasons...either way it is THEIR CHOICE to make) to make their living selling sex.
Independent ladies have no intention of taking it lying down ;)
Absolutely, I like it lying down but a real Lady should be on top :D
Not sure that quite came out right Heather? :)
Shurrup you, I saw it first! :p
It won't make Ruhama change their stance, not one bit, I'm aware of that. But it will force them to face the fact that we are out there, we are working by choice and they are damned well going to hear about us.
The point of the Collective is to challenge them.
Not sure that quite came out right Heather? :)
It did. exactly as I intended :D
Independent ladies have no intention of taking it lying down ;)
Not sure that quite came out right Heather? :)
It did. exactly as I intended :D
I take it you prefer the "woman above" position Heather?:D
And no better woman!:)
Ladies
Why not email Ruhama admin@ruhama.ie and ask them where you, the independent sex worker by choice fit into their agenda. I'm going to do just that. They need to have pressure put on them. Soon, the Collective Voice will be up and running on all our behalf and Ruhama will be vehemently and relentlessly challenged in the media by the voice of sex workers.
Won't do any harm to make a start now, will it. :)
This is what they claim on their website:
Ruhama is a Dublin-based NGO which works on a national level with women affected by prostitution. Our service is comprehensive to meet the broad range of experiences of women affected by prostitution.
Independent escorts and their needs shouldn't be outside their 'broad range' Let's ask them where we fit in.
I think this is a bloody excellent idea - and I have another idea to go with it. Why not email TDs and ministers and ask for a full Value for Money Audit of Ruhama, ICI and any other TORL orgs you feel are putting the taxpayers money (and most sex workers are taxpayers too remind them of that) to questionable use or obtaining it under false pretences?
NB, when they were asking for that funding I very much doubt if their stated purpose was to lobby against the stated wishes and best interests of sex workers. Also, some of at least Ruhama's funding used to be (up to 2009, not sure any more) inclusion specific, and I don't think Ruhama have EVER included sex workers at all, on any level. If you or I tried that one on it would be called "fraud".
Brilliant and powerful ideas ladies. I love to see real "girl power". Not the pseudo empowerment being pushed by the TORL, which is essentially saying to all escorts regardless of circumstance and choice, that they "will save you from yourselves". Which is another way of them saying - do it our way or it's the highway for you!
As has been already pointed out, Ruhama are unlikely to change anything. Afterall their funding depends on them spreading the lie that every escort in Ireland is trafficked and coerced. I do believe that Sarah Benson has actually refered to you all as "take away meals"!!!! However, it would be good for you to stick it to them.
I think LaBelle's suggestion of writing to TD's is very good. However, may I suggest that you preface the request for transparency on Ruhama funding by blantantly stating that Ruhama is not representing you the independant escorts and is going to make your life a whole more dangerous and reduce (rather than increase) your options.
In relation to the above suggestions, here is the weblink to the Dail and Seanad members email address:
http://www.oireachtas.ie/ViewDoc.asp?DocId=-1&CatID=138
Brilliant and powerful ideas ladies. I love to see real "girl power". Not the pseudo empowerment being pushed by the TORL, which is essentially saying to all escorts regardless of circumstance and choice, that they "will save you from yourselves". Which is another way of them saying - do it our way or it's the highway for you!
As has been already pointed out, Ruhama are unlikely to change anything. Afterall their funding depends on them spreading the lie that every escort in Ireland is trafficked and coerced. I do believe that Sarah Benson has actually refered to you all as "take away meals"!!!! However, it would be good for you to stick it to them.
I think LaBelle's suggestion of writing to TD's is very good. However, may I suggest that you preface the request for transparency on Ruhama funding by blantantly stating that Ruhama is not representing you the independant escorts and is going to make your life a whole more dangerous and reduce (rather than increase) your options.
Morph. I do believe that Sarah Benson would be more happy to see me scrubbing her kitchen floor for less than minimum wage than she is to see me making choices about my own life and how I choose to support my family. Sex work has paid for my children to be University educated and there is not a thing she could say to me to convince me that is wrong!
Morph. I do believe that Sarah Benson would be more happy to see me scrubbing her kitchen floor for less than minimum wage than she is to see me making choices about my own life and how I choose to support my family. Sex work has paid for my children to be University educated and there is not a thing she could say to me to convince me that is wrong!
No one cares about Benson's kitchen floor. The question is can I scrub your kitchen floor by making a choice about my own life even after being university educated ? :-)
No one cares about Benson's kitchen floor. The question is can I scrub your kitchen floor by making a choice about my own life even after being university educated ? :-)
Yes. Bare arsed if ya like.
LaBelleThatcher
24-10-12, 10:39
Morph. I do believe that Sarah Benson would be more happy to see me scrubbing her kitchen floor for less than minimum wage than she is to see me making choices about my own life and how I choose to support my family. Sex work has paid for my children to be University educated and there is not a thing she could say to me to convince me that is wrong!
Never a truer word...you remind me of a true story from before the 93 law...the different problems people use sex work to solve and the way it is possible to wind up without a lot of choice even when the end of the world is nowhere near at hand.
There was a super lady...very middle, if not upper middle, class, widow, nice house, adequate income...just one small problem, her children, a boy and a girl, were twins and they both got university places at a time when fees were higher and there was little or no grant provision at all.
So she go out on the street and sold sex to put them both through uni...I suppose a "true feminist" of the time would have refused to encourage the sexual exploitation of women and upset the gender balance of society and sent the boy to Uni and the girl to work for Dunnes Stores?
:D
...cos scrubbing floors for Sarah Benson's mum certainly wouldn't have put two young people through Uni.
I think that TDs need to be asked to get rhuama to justify their funding, their last accounts showed they had received over two hundred thousand euro in state funding and had helped (according to their own figures) 22 ladies, do the maths there, not exactly value for money. Any NGO that has a surplus in excess of two hundred thousand in the bank in this day and age should be asked where they are getting or more importantly how are they spending their money.
LaBelleThatcher
24-10-12, 19:06
I think that TDs need to be asked to get rhuama to justify their funding, their last accounts showed they had received over two hundred thousand euro in state funding and had helped (according to their own figures) 22 ladies, do the maths there, not exactly value for money. Any NGO that has a surplus in excess of two hundred thousand in the bank in this day and age should be asked where they are getting or more importantly how are they spending their money.
In the last available breakdown (2008) the TOTAL state funding was way over €600k, and the turnover was only slightly lower last year...it is an incredible amount of money for them to waste on opposing their own user group.
The Genesis project in Leeds provides the same services to sex workers as Ruhama and the WHP combined, for half the cost of Ruhama...something is VERY wrong there.
Yes. Bare arsed if ya like.
I shall forward my CV in due course.
Half Man and Half Dildo
24-10-12, 19:36
Ruhama want to end all prostitution, and by extension put themselves out of work.
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Noun:
A person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.
Well done sexwork.ie!! They are way ahead of the posse and have already applied via the Freedom of information act for Ruhama funding details.
http://sexwork.ie/
Unfortunately as has been pointed out on sexwork.ie, they have ommitted all the big funding information.!!!!!!:mad: They have also ommited any information regarding salaries!! In the current time of economic recession where public funded individuals have to justify their pay, I think this information should be made public.
I hope sexwork.ie can pursue the matter further with the Freedom of information act, as Ruhama has blantantly withheld the main information requested!
Well done Sexwork.ie again. You are doing a great job.:notworthy:
Incidentally I was looking through one of the documents from the early 2000's with the trustees signatures - and they were almost all Nuns or associated with a religious order of some sort!! They may have now cut down to 3 nuns (on the last count) but clearly are still the force behind Ruhama. I wonder if the Magdalene survivors know about the Ruhama's associations and whether they might seek redrees from them?? Afterall if you move your assests from one organisation to another in order to avoid liability, isn't there a case for the victims to seek their redreess with the new organisation? (Probably not, but I would love if that were to happen).
I'm looking forward to that myself, it ought to make for an interesting read. ;)