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vanessa.escort
25-09-12, 12:46
Irishtimes.com
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0924/1224324324002.html
saoirsemac
25-09-12, 12:51
i dnt think the girls here need worry
and hopefully most of the clients
unless the cerb crawlers
very shy guy
25-09-12, 13:08
i dnt think the girls here need worry
and hopefully most of the clients
unless the cerb crawlers
SAO,not to be alarmest but they do stake out flats and apartments,probably because some of the feckers visit them themselves.
Irishtimes.com
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0924/1224324324002.html
Thanks Vanessa. However, as Saoirse has pointed out they appear to be targetting street prostitution which is illegal.
They can't really target indoor escorting as that isn't against the law at present. The only thing they can do is enact the brothel keeping law if more than two girls work together (which of course is a completely unfair law).
However, the recent North and South raids on "brothels" did not see any ladies in the south being charged with brothel keeping. Which suggests a change in the attitude of the gardai for the positive. Up North there were a few Polish ladies charged with brothel keeping - clearly the usual trumped up charge (and it reflects a certain fananticism on the part of the PSNI, I think).
However, the Limerick Gardai appear to have a grudge against escorting work in comparison to the Gardai in Dublin I feel. There always seems to be some sort of garda activity against sex work in Limerick. If you didn't know any better you'd think Limerick was the sex capital of Europe!!:p
Rachel Divine
25-09-12, 13:11
Irishtimes.com
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0924/1224324324002.html
They talk about girls working on the street, dont see anywhere on that article to be about girls working indoors.
In the other hand, I am an escort offering companionship and charge only for it, not for sexual services and if happens to have sex (hopefully) is because I want to and choose to do so...
rubberlover
25-09-12, 13:12
What a country, people can be shot dead in front of children and the "force" see this as a priority, interesting that it is as a result of complaints from the "business community", in other words "money talks loudest " ...............
saoirsemac
25-09-12, 13:21
SAO,not to be alarmest but they do stake out flats and apartments,probably because some of the feckers visit them themselves.
ya dnt say?
the garda actual know where our apartments are? never? wow?
how did i not know, thank you for telling me
gee thank goodness for ye guys, we never know anything about the industry we work in
and run our business in
golly
very shy guy
25-09-12, 13:25
ya dnt say?
the garda actual know where our apartments are? never? wow?
how did i not know, thank you for telling me
gee thank goodness for ye guys, we never know anything about the industry we work in
and run our business in
golly
Sarky SAO,of course they know,sure half of them are clients.
saoirsemac
25-09-12, 13:25
Thanks Vanessa. However, as Saoirse has pointed out they appear to be targetting street prostitution which is illegal.
They can't really target indoor escorting as that isn't against the law at present. The only thing they can do is enact the brothel keeping law if more than two girls work together (which of course is a completely unfair law).
However, the recent North and South raids on "brothels" did not see any ladies in the south being charged with brothel keeping. Which suggests a change in the attitude of the gardai for the positive. Up North there were a few Polish ladies charged with brothel keeping - clearly the usual trumped up charge (and it reflects a certain fananticism on the part of the PSNI, I think).
However, the Limerick Gardai appear to have a grudge against escorting work in comparison to the Gardai in Dublin I feel. There always seems to be some sort of garda activity against sex work in Limerick. If you didn't know any better you'd think Limerick was the sex capital of Europe!!:p
firstly those polish ladies where 3 very silly women
which is taking the fucking piss and secondly they swallowed sims, with obstruction
and why they got arrested, and eventually done,
others where left,
limerick issue is with street prostition and again where fair with ladies working together in the raids,
i can see why street prostition is been tackled, at high priorty meh, but the level of abuse on the street is higher
where u will find many more victims than us tucked up inside
sadly there too blinded by idioticy that repeating a costly operation every few months wnt work
saoirsemac
25-09-12, 13:30
Sarky SAO,of course they know,sure half of them are clients.
that a sunday world assumptions
well dear some of us, have willing told the garda where we work and we share
dnt think coz u punted a few times, u know how things work, i dnt mean this to be harsh or an attack on you, but ye dont
all ye do is speculate on these boards, fear monger, talking utter bolloks for the most part, thinking ye know our business
ye know wat we choose to tell ye
i appriecate those who tackle the laws they know,
but this kinda shit, leave the speculation to the tabloids
very shy guy
25-09-12, 18:14
that a sunday world assumptions
well dear some of us, have willing told the garda where we work and we share
dnt think coz u punted a few times, u know how things work, i dnt mean this to be harsh or an attack on you, but ye dont
all ye do is speculate on these boards, fear monger, talking utter bolloks for the most part, thinking ye know our business
ye know wat we choose to tell ye
i appriecate those who tackle the laws they know,
but this kinda shit, leave the speculation to the tabloids
I do not read the sunday world SAO,or indeed anyother newspaper,so anything I say is from personal experince,including garda acting as pimps.
They can watch apartments all they like. They can do nothing. No one is breaking the law.
saoirsemac
25-09-12, 18:26
They can watch apartments all they like. They can do nothing. No one is breaking the law.
beacon of sense right here
Irishtimes.com
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0924/1224324324002.html
"Following the undercover sting, street prostitution in Limerick seemed to decline".
Yebbut it didn't decline, did it ? All they succeeded in doing was pushing the street workers further back
into the shadows where they can't be reached should they need help.
Oh I could weep.
copperslad
04-10-12, 08:12
Ah, the Sunday World....
nautural bbw
17-10-12, 17:56
hyprocrites they are,they use our services all year round
"Following the undercover sting, street prostitution in Limerick seemed to decline".
Yebbut it didn't decline, did it ? All they succeeded in doing was pushing the street workers further back
into the shadows where they can't be reached should they need help.
Oh I could weep.
I'd bet that's EXACTLY what's happened out there Laura; heavy Garda patrolling in one area simply shifts it to another, and what they don't mention in the article is that the area it moves to is probably a place that's even more dodgy and dangerous for the street girls to work.
And, if Banjaxed is reading this, I'd like his legal opinion on this article:
I've always wondered how police sting operations like the one discussed at the beginning of the article with female undercover Guards posing as prostitutes is NOT considered police entrapment-- how could it be ANYTHING else? A guard posing as an escort/prostitute, essentially tricking you into breaking solicitation law? How is that legal? What's the justification they use for doing this?
In the other hand, I am an escort offering companionship and charge only for it, not for sexual services and if happens to have sex (hopefully) is because I want to and choose to do so...
i think this is a real gud point,most people here would be looking for the same
Jaygoodtimes
03-11-12, 21:26
that a sunday world assumptions
well dear some of us, have willing told the garda where we work and we share
dnt think coz u punted a few times, u know how things work, i dnt mean this to be harsh or an attack on you, but ye dont
all ye do is speculate on these boards, fear monger, talking utter bolloks for the most part, thinking ye know our business
ye know wat we choose to tell ye
i appriecate those who tackle the laws they know,
but this kinda shit, leave the speculation to the tabloids
VSG was simply making his own point..No need to jump down his throat ffs..
Personally, I would never meet any escort who decides the location. What if he/she has hidden cameras in the room? I would prefer to choose the location instead.
Personally, I would never meet any escort who decides the location. What if he/she has hidden cameras in the room? I would prefer to choose the location instead.
I think you watch movies to much:))))
thehighwayman
29-11-12, 19:40
Personally, I would never meet any escort who decides the location. What if he/she has hidden cameras in the room? I would prefer to choose the location instead.
What if the client had a hidden camera on him or phone pointing out his pocket filming?
This is a little off topic but I often wondered about how the police "Honey Trap" worked. I remember seeing on the TV one time where in the USA how people avoid honey traps (ie female police under cover) is to say to the lady on first conversation you want to shoot nude photos, no police women will go that far for the job. Shooting nude photos is not against the law even in Ireland.
Just a thought.
No in calls for you so. But how do you know the hotels don't have cameras as well :0
I'd bet that's EXACTLY what's happened out there Laura; heavy Garda patrolling in one area simply shifts it to another, and what they don't mention in the article is that the area it moves to is probably a place that's even more dodgy and dangerous for the street girls to work.
And, if Banjaxed is reading this, I'd like his legal opinion on this article:
I've always wondered how police sting operations like the one discussed at the beginning of the article with female undercover Guards posing as prostitutes is NOT considered police entrapment-- how could it be ANYTHING else? A guard posing as an escort/prostitute, essentially tricking you into breaking solicitation law? How is that legal? What's the justification they use for doing this?
It does leave a bit of a sour taste in the mouth, you're essentially luring men into committing a crime, the undercover is inviting crime. Then saying because of it street prostitution is in decline it's akin to the fire brigade causing fires, then putting them out and getting praise for it.
whether or not this is entrapment depends largely on how the scenario plays out....
Female Garda posing as a Hooker in an area frequented be hookers and the guy approaches her looking for sex then no thats not entrapment, HE and not SHE iniciated the proceedings.
However if the guy was just getting on with his own business and the undercover were to approach him offering sexual services then yes that would be entrapment.....
What if the client had a hidden camera on him or phone pointing out his pocket filming?
Fair point but two wrongs don't make it right either. I would imagine the escort would suss out their client before getting down to real business?
When I look at Europe, the locations are mostly selected by the client instead of a "fixed" location - in my opinion this helps reassure against any potential hidden cameras which could be helpful if the current proposals come into effect.
From my experience of using escorts in eastern europe there was no such thing as an incall. They came to you. You rang their number and told them where you were eg a hotel room. They would not visit private residences.
thehighwayman
01-12-12, 11:25
Fair point but two wrongs don't make it right either. I would imagine the escort would suss out their client before getting down to real business?
When I look at Europe, the locations are mostly selected by the client instead of a "fixed" location - in my opinion this helps reassure against any potential hidden cameras which could be helpful if the current proposals come into effect.
You can always stay in a hotel and get the escort to come to you. Some escorts do this. You just need to check profiles and then ask.
You can always stay in a hotel and get the escort to come to you. Some escorts do this. You just need to check profiles and then ask.
No thanks. I think it's an inappropriate and expensive location. I think most people would share this view also.