2017 Act review is three years late and counting...

[ladiesman217]

sure the government hates all its own people and why would they care about the rights of escorts, McEntee is just awful minister, they think escorts' are nobodies and its just so wrong, people of Ireland must vote a party in for the people and whos not owned by the EU, sadly there is not one

Sadly, there isn't a word of that that isn't true.....

[JennyIrish]

This is the Act which criminalises CLIENTS for the purchase of sex.

After any piece of new legislation is passed in this country there is usually a review of the legislation around two years later to see how it is working, how prosecutions have been going in court, basically to iron out any kinks in the wording of the Act.

The article is poorly worded and would lead you to believe that it is a review of sex work legislation, but no they are simply talking about that new act that criminalise clients.

What I will be interested to see in this is has there ever been successfully convicted case where the client did NOT ADMIT to paying for sex??? Because from any of the cases I have read about, obviously the Gardaí were not present when the cash exchange took place, in every case the client admits to the Garda after the clients has been apprehended coming from a known working apartment.

If the clients just denies denies denies, how can it even be brought to court? And no in this instance they do not have a right to check your phone at the scene or anything like that, literally the only evidence a garda can have here is where the client admits to paying for sex???

It will be interesting to see the findings of this review.

[dave101]

They don't need a clients phone. If they seize the sex workers phone in a raid (which they did in Nov 2022 in a huge raid operations by Garda and PSNI across the island) then the client can be placed at the scene.

If you read the legislation closely, soliciting or even attempting to pay for sex is a crime - no one need witness cash being handed over. They don't even need to stop a punter leaving an apartment or a hotel. Once a list of favourites has been sent/reveived with prices, its game over.


You don't need to admit anything. They can get all the info they need from the sex providers phone.

[Stephanie]

They don't need a clients phone. If they seize the sex workers phone in a raid (which they did in Nov 2022 in a huge raid operations by Garda and PSNI across the island) then the client can be placed at the scene.

If you read the legislation closely, soliciting or even attempting to pay for sex is a crime - no one need witness cash being handed over. They don't even need to stop a punter leaving an apartment or a hotel.

Once a list of favourites has been sent/received with prices, its game over.

You don't need to admit anything. They can get all the info they need from the sex providers phone.

ANOTHER reason to not discuss intimate details over the phone / text / etc.

Need I mention ‘Menu’ being sent out ?

We first saw this over a year ago - we all on the Forum were aghast .

: If you want an appointment : send time , duration , and what you want .

A shopping list with sex acts and corresponding prices then sent out .

Bloke picks from list : get a ‘Quote’ back .

A screenshot of that ‘Menu’ was posted on that thread .



Where is the Discretion ?

Where is taking care of our guys - even if They be too eager or dim and not know ?

[Stephanie]

Anyone remember why Shatner ( spell ? ) left ? ( Shatter ? )

That’s ten years back - more x



Then we had Fitzgerald ??

[Palatine]

Anyone remember why Shatner ( spell ? ) left ? ( Shatter ? )

That’s ten years back - more x



Then we had Fitzgerald ??

He cozied up to a Garda Commissioner who thought whistleblowers were disgusting.

[Stephanie]

He cozied up to a Garda Commissioner who thought whistleblowers were disgusting.

That’s a shame .

I think if kept his position , the Law would not have passed in the form it did ?

[The Libertarian]

They don't need a clients phone. If they seize the sex workers phone in a raid (which they did in Nov 2022 in a huge raid operations by Garda and PSNI across the island) then the client can be placed at the scene.

If you read the legislation closely, soliciting or even attempting to pay for sex is a crime - no one need witness cash being handed over. They don't even need to stop a punter leaving an apartment or a hotel. Once a list of favourites has been sent/reveived with prices, its game over.


You don't need to admit anything. They can get all the info they need from the sex providers phone.

Can they take an escort's phone if she is independent, she has committed no crime!

OK records exist of texts, but not of calls in terms of what was said!

[JennyIrish]

They don't need a clients phone. If they seize the sex workers phone in a raid (which they did in Nov 2022 in a huge raid operations by Garda and PSNI across the island) then the client can be placed at the scene.

If you read the legislation closely, soliciting or even attempting to pay for sex is a crime - no one need witness cash being handed over. They don't even need to stop a punter leaving an apartment or a hotel. Once a list of favourites has been sent/reveived with prices, its game over.


You don't need to admit anything. They can get all the info they need from the sex providers phone.

This is the actual legislation:

7A. (1) A person who pays, gives, offers or promises to pay or give a person (including a prostitute) money or any other form of remuneration or consideration for the purpose of engaging in sexual activity with a prostitute shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on summary conviction—

(a) in the case of a first offence, to a class E fine, and

(b) in the case of a second or subsequent offence, to a class D fine.

(2) In this section ‘sexual activity’ means any activity where a reasonable person would consider that—

(a) whatever its circumstances or the purpose of any person in relation to it, the activity is because of its nature sexual, or

(b) because of its nature the activity may be sexual and because of its circumstances or the purposes of any person in relation to it (or both) the activity is sexual.”,


So the offence is paying, giving, offering, Promising.

If an apartment is raided by Gardai for brothel keeping yes they can seize the ladies phone or they can sieze the phone of a client found there on the property. Clients bad luck for risking going to an apartment where more that one lady was working from, he is now caught up in a brother keeping investigation.

But What I could see happening a lot from cases I was reading in local papers was it appears that Gardaí were finding where an independent escort was working from then watching the apartment and stopping her clients coming out. The client was then admitting to seeing an escort that’s how the prosecution was coming about.

The operation you’re talking about was a brothel keeping/human trafficking operation. If Clients are risking going to brothels well then tough, That doesn’t concern me.

What concerns me is the legislation this article is referring to and is the offence of paying for sex - brothel keeping and any client found on a premises during a raid is a seperate matter. My apartment won’t ever be getting raided for brothel keeping and therefore Gardai won’t ever have a power to sieze my work phone.

[dave101]

Jenny - you could be raided no bother.

You operate from hotels and the door could be kicked in at any moment. You assume all those brothels raided were seedy holes, we don't know anything about them and there could be lots of independents using them for work just like you use hotels.

Even if the Garda were waiting in the hotel corridor or lobby outside your room they could get clients there, watch them come and go and seize your phone or plug it in to a device to record all info and hand it back to you. Plus if you ever calls the police for any reason your phone may be needed to provide evidence and then bingo, they get all your clients.

We don't know if you were visited during that operation but you were almost definitely texted, which means they are aware of you. Even contacting you is a crime for punters.

You and other independents sometimes do duo work/collaborations = that could mean you both in a room or apartment at the same time which under the legislation would equate to a brothel and boom, there goes your phones, laptops and cash.