Why is this illegal

[ksteve]

Just because they would be breaking the law if they did that.

No other real reason, though, of course, there bis always one...absent cop on, who gets the bright idea that nobody will suspect a touring escort in a small family orientated hotel...

Do you think Eileen , if the law permitted management to fill their hotels with prostitutes , that they would jump at the chance ?

[Banjaxed]

Do you think Eileen , if the law permitted management to fill their hotels with prostitutes , that they would jump at the chance ?

Can't speak for Eileen, but I'd definitely know some smaller hotels that would be glad for the custom and it would be a huge jump for them since that's what they tend to get anyway, though I can't say how many are punts or affairs or perhaps even both!

In 2009, there were at least an over supply of 15,000 rooms that could not be filled in Irish hotels. Last year a number of ghost hotels are boarded up, and even some of the nicest hotels in the country are gone into receivership. So I think they'd be glad of any custom, provided it attracts the right clientele.

Of course there are some hotels with a name and atmosphere to uphold, and I'd imagine they wouldn't be too pleased with escorts widely frequenting their facilities, but I'd say they are rare.

[LaBelleThatcher]

I think, that both you, run the risk of shooting the messenger. Journalism of itself is not bad, and indeed there are some very good journalists out there. I do agree it rarely if ever gives a balanced view on the sex industry, however, I would argue that journalists merely serve up what the larger sections of society and their employers want....in this case it is societys' shock at women empowering themselves through sex!!!!!

To hijack the "reduce the demand" theory, if society did not read and want to read what mainstream journalists write then newspapers and other media would cease to exist.

Ah, but from another view point, the media shape opinion, there is actually an whole science to doing that (it's not random, or spontaneous at all) to a far greater extent, journalists serve up what their employers want...we need them on board really. Not as hard as it might sound, the sex industry is "filler" material in the media (except for the Sunday World where they use "national and international news" as filler instead)...

...and yes, compared to the '90s (when the mainstream media couldn't get enough of sex worker voices) the media *IS* gagging the sex industry, and it shows.

When you have a problem like that, the first thing you look for is a way to change it.

[ksteve]

Can't speak for Eileen, but I'd definitely know some smaller hotels that would be glad for the custom and it would be a huge jump for them since that's what they tend to get anyway, though I can't say how many are punts or affairs or perhaps even both!

In 2009, there were at least an over supply of 15,000 rooms that could not be filled in Irish hotels. Last year a number of ghost hotels are boarded up, and even some of the nicest hotels in the country are gone into receivership. So I think they'd be glad of any custom, provided it attracts the right clientele.

Of course there are some hotels with a name and atmosphere to uphold, and I'd imagine they wouldn't be too pleased with escorts widely frequenting their facilities, but I'd say they are rare.

Rare ! Ok, that's an interesting take.

Certainly Irish hotels in general are very anxious to increase room occupancy in their hotels and I remember another poster here thought that legalising prostitution would be great for tourism.

I see that the Irish Hotels Federation have appointed a new President,Michael Vaughan ( http://www.ihf.ie/press/documents/do...wpresident.htm ). Maybe he could get the Federation to lend its support to the pro-prostitution campaign ?

[Banjaxed]

When you have a problem like that, the first thing you look for is a way to change it.

Free appointments for anyone with a NUJ membership card?

[Banjaxed]

Rare ! Ok, that's an interesting take.

Certainly Irish hotels in general are very anxious to increase room occupancy in their hotels and I remember another poster here thought that legalising prostitution would be great for tourism.

I see that the Irish Hotels Federation have appointed a new President,Michael Vaughan ( http://www.ihf.ie/press/documents/do...wpresident.htm ). Maybe he could get the Federation to lend its support to the pro-prostitution campaign ?

Ah now, you know what I mean. I mean they're willing in a "nod and wink" way, if it's a public declaration you want in support for the campaign then you'll be waiting!

[LaBelleThatcher]

Do you think Eileen , if the law permitted management to fill their hotels with prostitutes , that they would jump at the chance ?

Unless they SPECIFICALLY target a family market I reckon there are a lot of hotels who would be DELIGHTED if it was legal.

While it is not it is not as simple as a moral issue, there all kinds of indemnity issues - you name it...

Take that away and you have a market of reliable, regular, female guests...who are often on fairly predictable schedules that can be booked well in advance - they are a hotelier's dream come true.

[LaBelleThatcher]

Free appointments for anyone with a NUJ membership card?

I was thinking more along the lines of "happy, satisfied media baron" photos from existing appointments...

Or would that be - WRONG?

[ksteve]

Ah now, you know what I mean. I mean they're willing in a "nod and wink" way, if it's a public declaration you want in support for the campaign then you'll be waiting!

I'm sure Mr.Vaughan could take the Minister aside over a couple of pints and well-- you know like, off the record-- give him the old ' nod and wink ' like !

[Banjaxed]

I was thinking more along the lines of "happy, satisfied media baron" photos from existing appointments...

Or would that be - WRONG?

I'm sure Mr.Vaughan could take the Minister aside over a couple of pints and well-- you know like, off the record-- give him the old ' nod and wink ' like !

See Eileen's idea above.

Just find out who the Minister frequents in his spare time. I know if I was pulling down €120,000+ unlimited unvouched expenses where I'd be.