Originally Posted by
carlos marvado
in fact i don't believe that heavy moderating is going to be responsible for "shutting this business down". What i do believe is that heavy moderating and censorship of valid genuine debate of matters of importance to members/punters and escorts, will cause some members to take their opinions elsewhere and this may result a) in a reduction of serious threads and forum traffick on e-i and b) a dumbing down of the boards as people play safe and tell us what a nice morning it is outside, what they had for breakfast, put up polls about who has the nicest/roundest/smallest/biggest/tightest ass on e-i, or for the really adventureous, there is always "drop one, keep one." the great unwashed who do not participate actively or passively on the boards will remain uninformed and blissfully ignorant.
But since you've asked the question, i'll be happy to provide an answer. What will go a long way to "shutting this business down", will be the law to criminalise those who pay for sex, once it is introduced. Now we already have a law that makes it a criminal offence to have sex for payment with a trafficked person. No convictions as yet that i've become aware of. When the new wider law is introduced, you can be sure there will be a blitz of media coverage and police activity. The first few guys get caught and are charged and brought to court. It does'nt really matter if they get convicted or not, as the media coverage will do more than enough damage to them in terms of marriage/friends & family/maybe work and their financial situation. In terms of punishment if they are actually convicted, probably a fine, but anyone who can afford to punt can afford a fine.
However, if it transpires that the escort whom the client had sex with was trafficked or even just claims to be trafficked, and this is believed by the court, then the punishment on conviction, as far as i am aware, is up to five years imprisonment. Happily, the other consequences are much the same as for the lesser crime, except that the chances of a divorce, loss of employment, salary, house etc. Are probably that much greater. In such a situation, it is very much in a client's interest to be as near as 100% sure that when he sees an escort advertised as being independent and books her, that she is in fact 100% independent.
Now, if the figures of the stockholm police are in any way accurate, men who frequent escorts have dropped from 1 in 8 to 1 in 40. That is a reduction of 80% which translates into an overall 80% reduction in revenue for escorts, assuming of course that the 20% who continue punting still spend as much as they did before.......otherwise, the reduction could be even bigger. Now let's look at ireland. I read very recently that 1 in 15 men here frequent escorts. Given the fact that prostitution is probably less socially acceptable in ireland than it was in sweden before they introduced their law, this probably needs to be taken with a health warning, but for the purposes of the debate, let's assume it's accurate enough. Let's also assume, a similar 80% reduction in the number of men who punt (down to 1 in 75) and the overall revenue which escorts receive when a similar law is introduced here.
Now we need to look at what an escort could currently expect to make here in a week. Let's be generous and assume a very well reviewed, high profile independent touring escort who is prepared to work long hours and see as many clients as possible while here.......let's say €1000 per day or €7000 per week, which she gets to keep herself. A reduction of 80% would reduce that to €1400, the equivalent of one 1 hour client or two half hour clients per day. The cost side looks something like this: Flights probably somewhere between €100 and €300 depending on route and airline, accommodation somewhere between €350 and €700 depending on hotel/apartment, advertisement here €100. So without taking into account food or meals, transport within ireland, makeup and personal care products, condoms and lube, phone calls/text messages and any incidentals, we're looking at costs in the range of €550 and €1100 for a one week tour. As i said at the outset, that would be a high profile escort and a reasonably good tour........i suspect that many would end up making a loss. So, if a lot of escorts who actually have a choice in the matter of whether to tour or actually reside here can't make a go of it here financially, what do you suspect we will be left with?
Given the legitimate concerns that clients will have about who they visit e.g. The difference in sentencing under the two laws, and the risk of being caught by an undercover female police officer masquerading behind a new escort profile, known established independent escorts will have a distinct advantage in attracting high value clients, and the site(s) on which they chose to advertise will also survive. The other sites, which embrace a catch-all business model will probably have more escorts on them, but will also possibly attract a "dodgier" clientel, for whom a five year stretch posses no big sweat.
As to the next part of your post that i've highlighted.....loops. I've been out of the loop for the best part of my life; in fact as an independent type of individual, i actually don't enjoy jumping through loops or hoops for others.
Final highlighted part of the quotation. Err.....what glamour models do and where they advertise is their business.......i have no interest in the glamour business, lingerie models, page 3 models or airfix models.....all the same to me. I would imagine that many clients would however give a "warm" welcome to a beautiful glamour model advertised here and that they advertise here for the same reason as any escort........to attract as many clients and make as much money as possible. Whoes business am i supposed to be suggesting e-i is damaging?........certainly not the glamour models' business. Maybe these are separate issues which have been linked together........basically, i fail to undertand the question.
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