What does it mean when you say someone is a man or a woman?

[EscortInspector]

I’m confused. Are you saying that’s there’s no such thing as gender (there is only sex)?

That's what he's saying.

Nope. Never mind. I am going to remain untriggered zzzzen.

[ladiesman217]

I know, right, biggest load of bx I’ve read in a long time, idk how anyone understood it enough to give it 4 thanks. LDM, “I can’t begin to imagine how to describe what it’s like to hang a door but also I how to hang a door because I know what it like not to have a door, but also you can’t know what it’s like to hang a door unless you’ve hung a door.” Wtf. Some deep dive you’ve done

Jesus..... That is woefully ignorant... I sincerely hope that neither you nor anyone you care about has ever or will ever suffer any form of mental issue.

And to answer your previous question, gender and sex are fundamentally the same thing. Gender is not psychological, it's biological. It is not a 'social construct', and I don't give a damn who claims otherwise, even the good old World Health Organisation. Put it another way, masculinity does not define male/man, nor does femininity define female/woman. Sex/gender is not malleable and not what you feel, it is what you experience in life.

Life/reality is what it is, not what we want it to be. And you've 2 options: you can either accept it, or live a lie. I don't have a problem with people who live a lie, I empathise with their struggle. I do have a problem when someone tries to forces anyone else to validate their lie as reality. It was either last year or the year before, a hospital somewhere in the UK (in Birmingham I think?), were telling, TELLING, their staff to stop using the term "breast feeding" and instead say "chest feeding". That is offensive to every woman who ever conceived a child, every woman who was unable to conceive a child, every woman who ever reared a child, every woman who has ever faced breast cancer; and then, every man who has ever faced breast cancer because men get breast cancer too, just a lot rarer than in women.

And now they're forcing this ideology on kids? Kids as young as 2 years old; and by GOD I wish I wrong. Because a child can know they're trans before they go through puberty? So they're medically making these kids infertile, giving mastectomies to young girls, etc; all because a child, who legally cannot even buy alcohol or cigarettes before they're even 18, thinks they're actually a girl or boy? Because this is what is happening in the world now. It's happening here, the UK, the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the entire 'Western world' over. I don't like kids, I don't want kids, ever. But this is egregiously unethical. And I'm not going to sit idly by and keep my mouth shut about it. And I haven't even touched on how this shit is affecting women. For example, a lesbian who doesn't want to have sex or date a transwoman is a bigot/transphobe. It's called 'the cotton ceiling', it's worth looking up.

And this craziness is being pushed by the tiniest part of the LGBTQ+ community. I've seen so many heartbreaking stories of trans people who speak out in defiance against this insanity. I have no problem with adults who transition to try and make themselves happier; my problem starts when they try force their ideas on anyone else and try no redefine the world to their narrative.

How's that for 'deep diving'.

Edit: hope this wasn't too long for you Barney!

[IrishSarahBarra]

Jesus..... That is woefully ignorant... I sincerely hope that neither you nor anyone you care about has ever or will ever suffer any form of mental issue.

And to answer your previous question, gender and sex are fundamentally the same thing. Gender is not psychological, it's biological. It is not a 'social construct', and I don't give a damn who claims otherwise, even the good old World Health Organisation. Put it another way, masculinity does not define male/man, nor does femininity define female/woman. Sex/gender is not malleable and not what you feel, it is what you experience in life.

Life/reality is what it is, not what we want it to be. And you've 2 options: you can either accept it, or live a lie. I don't have a problem with people who live a lie, I empathise with their struggle. I do have a problem when someone tries to forces anyone else to validate their lie as reality. It was either last year or the year before, a hospital somewhere in the UK (in Birmingham I think?), were telling, TELLING, their staff to stop using the term "breast feeding" and instead say "chest feeding". That is offensive to every woman who ever conceived a child, every woman who was unable to conceive a child, every woman who ever reared a child, every woman who has ever faced breast cancer; and then, every man who has ever faced breast cancer because men get breast cancer too, just a lot rarer than in women.

And now they're forcing this ideology on kids? Kids as young as 2 years old; and by GOD I wish I wrong. Because a child can know they're trans before they go through puberty? So they're medically making these kids infertile, giving mastectomies to young girls, etc; all because a child, who legally cannot even buy alcohol or cigarettes before they're even 18, thinks they're actually a girl or boy? Because this is what is happening in the world now. It's happening here, the UK, the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the entire 'Western world' over. I don't like kids, I don't want kids, ever. But this is egregiously unethical. And I'm not going to sit idly by and keep my mouth shut about it. And I haven't even touched on how this shit is affecting women. For example, a lesbian who doesn't want to have sex or date a transwoman is a bigot/transphobe. It's called 'the cotton ceiling', it's worth looking up.

And this craziness is being pushed by the tiniest part of the LGBTQ+ community. I've seen so many heartbreaking stories of trans people who speak out in defiance against this insanity. I have no problem with adults who transition to try and make themselves happier; my problem starts when they try force their ideas on anyone else and try no redefine the world to their narrative.

How's that for 'deep diving'.

Edit: hope this wasn't too long for you Barney!

Jesus, you’re very sensitive for someone who came onto a site with 6pc trans advertising on it to tell them that they, sometimes you, and the possibly the general population thinks that gender is located in the imagination while correcting them to the fact that it’s actually an experience like any single one person has ever told you they feel like their gender identity is located in their imagination and not in knowledge either learned or programmed, or wtf has imagining happy sad sick well got to do with anything. My f, congrats you for realising it’s an experience (one form of knowledge) and not imagination, but don’t think for a second that any trans person was confused or needed your help discerning. And LDM, honestly man, if you’re going to say in one breath that you can imagine what it’s like to be happy because you know what it’s like to be the opposite of happy and in the next day that a man can’t imagine what it’s like to be the opposite of man, you don’t deserve a podium. To reiterate, gender identity is not located in imagination and knowledge does not equal opposite, and no one but you said those things. Maybe call me woefully ignorant if I bang some guy at a men’s heath conference and then stage up about erectile dysfunction opening with how I can’t begin to imagine how to describe what it feels like to have a wet pussy but I can imagine what it feels like to not cough because I’ve been doing a lot of coughing, and oh, by the way, gentlemen, ED and wet pussy are an experience, you can’t know them them unless you’ve experienced them…or the opposite of them.

[Coinnigh]

Here's my take on it, what ever you say you are that's how I'll treat you.
Ive three trans friends, one of them was a childhood friend who transitioned and the other two I've met through my friend.
The only thing I don't agree with and have had to argue my point is that I don't want to fuck someone that was born male and has since transitioned, even if they've gone the whole hog.
To which, I think it's extremely wrong for a trans woman to advertise as a female without telling their history.

[ladiesman217]

Jesus, you’re very sensitive for someone who came onto a site with 6pc trans advertising on it to tell them that they, sometimes you, and the possibly the general population thinks that gender is located in the imagination while correcting them to the fact that it’s actually an experience like any single one person has ever told you they feel like their gender identity is located in their imagination and not in knowledge either learned or programmed, or wtf has imagining happy sad sick well got to do with anything. My f, congrats you for realising it’s an experience (one form of knowledge) and not imagination, but don’t think for a second that any trans person was confused or needed your help discerning. And LDM, honestly man, if you’re going to say in one breath that you can imagine what it’s like to be happy because you know what it’s like to be the opposite of happy and in the next day that a man can’t imagine what it’s like to be the opposite of man, you don’t deserve a podium. To reiterate, gender identity is not located in imagination and knowledge does not equal opposite, and no one but you said those things. Maybe call me woefully ignorant if I bang some guy at a men’s heath conference and then stage up about erectile dysfunction opening with how I can’t begin to imagine how to describe what it feels like to have a wet pussy but I can imagine what it feels like to not cough because I’ve been doing a lot of coughing, and oh, by the way, gentlemen, ED and wet pussy are an experience, you can’t know them them unless you’ve experienced them…or the opposite of them.

You.... conflate so many things that need to be addressed separately. So much so that you're actually not reading what I've said, instead just what you want to read. Imagination? Knowledge? Yeah, I mentioned none of these things, you did. Cos neither of them have anything to do with any mental disorders in the slightest. Again, I pray you or your loved ones never experience any form of mental disorder. I see no point in continuing a discussion with everything just being deflected. Take care Sarah.

[IrishSarahBarra]

You.... conflate so many things that need to be addressed separately. So much so that you're actually not reading what I've said, instead just what you want to read. Imagination? Knowledge? Yeah, I mentioned none of these things, you did. Cos neither of them have anything to do with any mental disorders in the slightest. Again, I pray you or your loved ones never experience any form of mental disorder. I see no point in continuing a discussion with everything just being deflected. Take care Sarah.

It’s exactly what you said...

Let me ask you this... what does it feel like to be a man/woman? Because I couldn't even imagine to begin to explain what it feels like to be a man! How do you know what it feels like to be happy? Because you know what it's like to be sad or angry, right? How do you know you're feeling sick? Cos you know when you're feeling well! How can know what it 'feels' like to be a man/woman when it is all you have ever known or will ever know? Being a man or a woman isn't a feeling; it is an experience, which cannot be emulated. This idea of there being a 'gender identity' is absolutely ludicrous.

[ladiesman217]

It’s exactly what you said...

And still.....

Goodbye Sarah.

[IrishSarahBarra]

I didn’t realise we were discussing mental disorders ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I must read the OP again.

[IrishSarahBarra]

And still.....

Goodbye Sarah.

Yup, nothing about mental disorders until post 7, paragraph 5 where you said that gender dysphoria is a psychological disorder, and mentioned by no other person thereafter.

[MidlifeCrisis]

Take care Sarah.

And still.....

Goodbye Sarah.

I didn’t realise we were discussing mental disorders ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I must read the OP again.

Looks like he doesn't want you in his thread because you have a different point of view to him.

If you do let him drive you from the thread please don't be driven from the forums altogether - we've missed you!