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    Quote Originally Posted by The Libertarian View Post
    In The ROI, as it stands the street scene is only a small proportion of the industry and street solicitation from a sex worker or a client is already illegal as is having sex in public and both are actually policed, resulting in prosecutions!
    A sex worker, working from an apartment on her own is not doing anything illegal, (and this is unlikely to change under the new law, in fact, Fitzy Fitzy and her ilk will pretend it's a form of decriminalization that has been introduced), clients at the moment engaging with a sex worker are not doing anything illegal as long as they are indoors and not knowingly with a trafficked sex worker. The latter will be changed by the upcoming laws and it is quite possible that an on the spot fine system, pay up and be on your way will not be there and a court appearance will be mandatory! The situation wrt 2 or more sex workers working from the same apartment constituting a brothel will not change and sex workers in that situation will remain criminalized, it should be noted that it is quite difficult for the pigs/DPP to get a brothel convinction!
    Also depending on additional aspects of the law, virtually the entire industry may be forced onto the streets, the indoors scene will certainly be pushed more underground!
    Also one irony will surface which will be if as is inevitable the street scene grows, it will become more visible and our political scum class will be held to task by concerned citizens for causing this to happen!
    At the end of the day, it might be more than sex workers and working class clients who suffer because of the madness!
    For the sake of the argument, how many do you reckon, out of 800 escorts are working on their own?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel Divine View Post
    For the sake of the argument, how many do you reckon, out of 800 escorts are working on their own?
    Rachel,
    If I was a female escort, one thing is for sure, I would be very security conscious, which means, I would need another escort close by or access to security person, btw that does not mean a pimp!
    If you're question is about, my estimation of levels of classical trafficking, I think that exists almost exclusively in the world of TV dramas, but in the real world, it might exist in Ethnic Chinese and African communities here, where those groups would be the primary market. BTW I am in no way saying that somebody of Chinese/African origin would not be equally as outraged by the notion of trafficking as I am and I believe anybody trafficking another human being for sexual exploitation should get mandatory life in prison and also there has to be very hard sentences for any client abusing a sex worker (there should be extra tariffs for hate crimes/ crimes against vulnerable people, which AFAIK, have yet to be brought into Irish law).
    I would be fairly sure that a lot of our wonderful foreign escorts have got help and advice to set themselves up initially, but that's no issue as long as their consenting adults and there's no element of leeching off them by the 'agency'/helper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel Divine View Post
    For the sake of the argument, how many do you reckon, out of 800 escorts are working on their own?
    Rachel,
    Also, if you ever come across as I have seen (sorry, I cannot provide a link), the rates of convictions on brothel keeping charges as a proportion of cases of charges for this, they are actually quite small for various reasons, basically it's quite hard for the Pigs/DPP to get convictions in this area.
    Mind you we have had appaling cases of Eastern Euroean escorts being deported or jailed, for working 2 or more from the same address and stomach churningly further, money found on the premises (which may be life savings not money from sex work at all) given to RUHAMA (as I say, what do you call somebody, who benefits from the earnings of a sex worker and what do you call somebody who willingly accepts the life savings of another, without their consent?) and of course Denise Charlton and her lads in the Immigrant Council Of Ireland were nowhere to be seen as these consensual workers were being deported!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Libertarian View Post
    Rachel,
    If I was a female escort, one thing is for sure, I would be very security conscious, which means, I would need another escort close by or access to security person, btw that does not mean a pimp!
    If you're question is about, my estimation of levels of classical trafficking, I think that exists almost exclusively in the world of TV dramas, but in the real world, it might exist in Ethnic Chinese and African communities here, where those groups would be the primary market. BTW I am in no way saying that somebody of Chinese/African origin would not be equally as outraged by the notion of trafficking as I am and I believe anybody trafficking another human being for sexual exploitation should get mandatory life in prison and also there has to be very hard sentences for any client abusing a sex worker (there should be extra tariffs for hate crimes/ crimes against vulnerable people, which AFAIK, have yet to be brought into Irish law).
    I would be fairly sure that a lot of our wonderful foreign escorts have got help and advice to set themselves up initially, but that's no issue as long as their consenting adults and there's no element of leeching off them by the 'agency'/helper.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Libertarian View Post
    Rachel,
    Also, if you ever come across as I have seen (sorry, I cannot provide a link), the rates of convictions on brothel keeping charges as a proportion of cases of charges for this, they are actually quite small for various reasons, basically it's quite hard for the Pigs/DPP to get convictions in this area.
    Mind you we have had appaling cases of Eastern Euroean escorts being deported or jailed, for working 2 or more from the same address and stomach churningly further, money found on the premises (which may be life savings not money from sex work at all) given to RUHAMA (as I say, what do you call somebody, who benefits from the earnings of a sex worker and what do you call somebody who willingly accepts the life savings of another, without their consent?) and of course Denise Charlton and her lads in the Immigrant Council Of Ireland were nowhere to be seen as these consensual workers were being deported!
    You said one lady working alone, therefore my comment.
    Sharing for security purpose, I understand it, but where do you draw the line? How it is to know to the client and/or the police the lady sharing it is independent? How it is to know the guy sitting in the living room it is a boyfriend who is not mentally coercing the lady to work in this industry? How can that be proved?
    Truth is the police here do not care therefore the small % on convictions.

    Do you think a new lady charging low rates it is happy to do so?
    Do you think a new lady will know how to work this forum at it best it is independent?

    I think the clients in Ireland are very ignorant, put it that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel Divine View Post
    You said one lady working alone, therefore my comment.
    Sharing for security purpose, I understand it, but where do you draw the line? How it is to know to the client and/or the police the lady sharing it is independent? How it is to know the guy sitting in the living room it is a boyfriend who is not mentally coercing the lady to work in this industry? How can that be proved?
    Truth is the police here do not care therefore the small % on convictions.

    Do you think a new lady charging low rates it is happy to do so?
    Do you think a new lady will know how to work this forum at it best it is independent?

    I think the clients in Ireland are very ignorant, put it that way.
    A new lady from Bulgaria charging 50€ per half hour for a broad range of services, would certainly raise alarm bells!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Libertarian View Post
    Rachel,
    Also, if you ever come across as I have seen (sorry, I cannot provide a link), the rates of convictions on brothel keeping charges as a proportion of cases of charges for this, they are actually quite small for various reasons, basically it's quite hard for the Pigs/DPP to get convictions in this area.
    Mind you we have had appaling cases of Eastern Euroean escorts being deported or jailed, for working 2 or more from the same address and stomach churningly further, money found on the premises (which may be life savings not money from sex work at all) given to RUHAMA (as I say, what do you call somebody, who benefits from the earnings of a sex worker and what do you call somebody who willingly accepts the life savings of another, without their consent?) and of course Denise Charlton and her lads in the Immigrant Council Of Ireland were nowhere to be seen as these consensual workers were being deported!
    You have made some valid points on this thread.

    I am actually surprised that Ruhama/TORL have not used said “deportations” which you referred to above as part of the propaganda to portray Swedish-style Legislation as a means by which such Legisaltive Models would benefit Sex Workers (you know, along the lines of “Swedish-style Legislation will decriminalize Sex Workers and mean no more of these deporations”).

    However you, I and the rest of the E-I Community are well aware of the dangers which Swedish-style Legislation will mean for Sex Workers.

    So too are Ruhama/TORL aware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Libertarian View Post
    A new lady from Bulgaria charging 50€ per half hour for a broad range of services, would certainly raise alarm bells!
    Surely she would be very busy and I ain't the one gving her money.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Equalizer View Post
    You have made some valid points on this thread.

    I am actually surprised that Ruhama/TORL have not used said “deportations” which you referred to above as part of the propaganda to portray Swedish-style Legislation as a means by which such Legisaltive Models would benefit Sex Workers (you know, along the lines of “Swedish-style Legislation will decriminalize Sex Workers and mean no more of these deporations”).

    However you, I and the rest of the E-I Community are well aware of the dangers which Swedish-style Legislation will mean for Sex Workers.

    So too are Ruhama/TORL aware.
    As far as I know, deportations/ harsh decisions from a judge were in place when the ladies used an known working apartment, sometimes after been told not to work from there anymore.

    It is easier to send a few ladies home than to question the bf sitting in the living room, sending love pms to potential clients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel Divine View Post
    You said one lady working alone, therefore my comment.
    Sharing for security purpose, I understand it, but where do you draw the line? How it is to know to the client and/or the police the lady sharing it is independent? How it is to know the guy sitting in the living room it is a boyfriend who is not mentally coercing the lady to work in this industry? How can that be proved?
    Truth is the police here do not care therefore the small % on convictions.

    Do you think a new lady charging low rates it is happy to do so? yes some have when first starting to get established and then increase, you want examples?????
    Do you think a new lady will know how to work this forum at it best it is independent? Yes no problem, phone a friend:rolleyes:

    [B]I think the clients in Ireland are very ignorant, put it that way. [/B]

    Crap, That's where you are wrong, we are far from ignorant, we just let yous believe we are, Reverse psychology, so who really is the ignorant one
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Equalizer View Post
    You have made some valid points on this thread.

    I am actually surprised that Ruhama/TORL have not used said “deportations” which you referred to above as part of the propaganda to portray Swedish-style Legislation as a means by which such Legisaltive Models would benefit Sex Workers (you know, along the lines of “Swedish-style Legislation will decriminalize Sex Workers and mean no more of these deporations”).

    However you, I and the rest of the E-I Community are well aware of the dangers which Swedish-style Legislation will mean for Sex Workers.

    So too are Ruhama/TORL aware.
    Not only are TORLER groups aware of the consequences of Swedish Model type laws for sex workers, for some of them it is very much an intended consequence, arguably the most important reason for its introduction, along with opening a new revenue stream to 'help' repentant sex workers on their knees before them, punishing (almost exclusively working class) men obviously comes into it as well!
    This is clearly failed insane legislation and no decent human being can in anyway benefit from it and it will definitely make life hell on earth for many as intended!
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