nhs bans smokers

[Curvaceous Kate]

firstly why shud smokers pay even more? in ireland and the uk there is high tax on cigs, in europe 20 costing 3,50 ireland 9.50 with the uk i think ye are 5 cents dearer than us when u do the change over

the taxes recovered form those who wish to smoke, cover the cost of smokers to healthcare, that anyone who smokes, not actual ever patients with direct smoking conditions, just everyone who ticks the box, the amount of tax form smokers not only covers them, but they have surplus which is given to other areas

everyone stops smoking, and even drinking, both our healthserivce loose a massive budget, and the savings on the health side wud not be huge comparing to tax revuene lost, we pay a tax we shud not pay extra again, esp those who pay national insurence or prsi in ireland


no one owes anyone a living, but this is health, everyone shud have care, esp those who are paying into to the system,

private health care is different, life insurence is different, but the nhs and to some degree the hse public health sector, is for everyone, we are made pay for it, when we buy drink and cigs, we pay tax that goes into our hse and nhs

if you put your life at risk you shud pay extra? how is that right? again many believe we do, what about the extreme sports shud we leave them to die? people in crashes who where speading should they die?

I'm afraid I'm an anti smoker and would have smoking banned full stop. Where I do sympathise with the older generation that knew no better, I don't sympathise with anyone who chooses to smoke knowing it could ruin their health or kill them.

If someone is asked to stop smoking as part of the cure to a health problem, then I see it as part of the treatment and nothing to do with banning. If they can not adhere to their part of the treatment, then there is no point moving forward with the more invasive part of the treatment. People are able to stop smoking when they are pregnant, so why not when they need an operation?

I am only referring to treatments that are smoking related though. I don't think it is right or fair to take away health care that is unrelated.

[saoirsemac]

I'm afraid I'm an anti smoker and would have smoking banned full stop. Where I do sympathise with the older generation that knew no better, I don't sympathise with anyone who chooses to smoke knowing it could ruin their health or kill them.

If someone is asked to stop smoking as part of the cure to a health problem, then I see it as part of the treatment and nothing to do with banning. If they can not adhere to their part of the treatment, then there is no point moving forward with the more invasive part of the treatment. People are able to stop smoking when they are pregnant, so why not when they need an operation?

I am only referring to treatments that are smoking related though. I don't think it is right or fair to take away health care that is unrelated.

again i dont disagree here either,

but i disagree on stopping using nhs or any health serivce because they smoke
unless smoking is a direct effect and continuing will lead to death

not all smokers suffer issues, not all use health serivces either,

but a man needing a growth off his face been refused after paying into it is wrong

medicince shud never have groups banned, but take case by case

sometimes a smoker giving up can be worse them its rare but it happens shock to the system

as i keep saying every case is different, and doctors and nurses have a duty to care

i seen the same junkies commin in a&e shud we let them die? been honest times i taught why we picking them up? why dont we let them overdose

but we cant, there a duty of care! in ireland shud junkies get free care when tax payers dont, well that another matter

but if we start picking and choosing who we care for thats big trouble

what happens if one day a doctor wont preform surgery on you, god forbid you got say hepitisis and needed liver surgeries, but u still where an escort and they said no, because ur still damaging yourself

start banning, u may agree because u have the typical loved one died form smoking so all smokers die and its awfull and i wish it go away, but that wont make it go away, and if it did the nhs in the uk wud suffer hugely in loss of revune

the world needs good as well evil u know

[Sancho Panza]

I've never smoked, but I think that banning tobacco would be counterproductive, not to mention a bit fascist. Furthermore, denying a sick person medical treatment for whatever reason seems unethical to me. While most people might not give a shit about letting homeless drug users or obese wretches suffer, they should worry about the precedent that would be set by refusing such people treatment based on their unhealthy lifestyles. For instance, endurance sports like marathon running carry certain risks; so do contact sports like boxing and even rugby. However, I'd say most people would balk at denying ex-sportsmen treatment if they couldn't afford to pay for it.

It would be an incredibly cold, Machiavellian strategy, but given that long-term tobacco smoking reduces life expectancy by a decade on average and that providing pensions and health care for the elderly is very costly, the state might actually save money by leaving things the way the are.

[madjack]

Does anyone here realise that smoking is an addiction like alcohol, gambling and drugs. It seem's that the power's of our state can do anything they want like, people bought houses, cars etc with hard earned money and then cause the governments made a bollix of our finances they introduced property tax even though people probably paid tax when they bought it,house hold charge for owning a property,water charges and the country flooding with it. The people of this country talk about all these taxes but will not stand together and fight back. Right smooking ban who do they think they are to tell anyone that they cant smoke here or there, thats peoples own choice. I had a rough 35 years in the start of my life alot through my own fault. I ended up an alcoholic, in and out of mental hospitals for years and 2 suicide attempts in the end. Believe it or not its a pity i did not succeed as listening to all the bitching and do gooders in this country i'd be better off dead. No one anymore will tell me what to do or how to spend the rest of my life, as i succeeded in giving up drink 26 years ago and when i did i had to learn how to live again as i was going out with my wife and married her when i was 18 and could not adjust to intimacy with her when i got sober. We still live together but sleep in seperate rooms and only for E.I i'd be fucked altogether and they are trying to stop me doing that as well. Are we pure idiots or what but i will continue to smoke, visit beautiful ladies from here when i can afford it as i own my life and there is no prick going to tell me what to do. I would not take all the shit and laws that they are trying to implement on me from my mother so i wont definately take it from them.