Genuine escorts or trfficed girls???

[Mairead curvyirishlady]

I posted the links - not to have an argument or score points, just to show that there have been convictions for trafficking in Northern Ireland recently.

Mr Pis was convicted under the trafficking legislation. Although the women in the case said they were not held against their will, the judge mentioned Mr Pis' active involvement in their prostitution and level of financial gain in sentencing him.
He did plead guilty to trafficking 2 persons into the uk for the purposes of sexual exploitation
http://ec.europa.eu/anti-trafficking...Matyas+Pis.pdf

The incident referred to in Armagh involved a woman who was abducted and held for 28 hours during which time she was beaten and gang raped by a number of Lithuanian men and was quite widely reported .
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/su...?service=Print

We are very familiar in Northern Ireland with a culture where organised paramilitary gangs operate within local communities. Historically its common knowledge that on both sides they have been involved in controlling prostitution/ drugs /money laundering and the list is endless. How can you ask people to give evidence against these gangs when their families lives would be put at risk? To quote a well known local politician " they havent gone away you know"
The same goes for these other gangs that operate from Asia, Africa and Europe into Ireland and Northern Ireland.

All I can do is hope that the systems and networks will be put in place so that victims will be supported and the offenders punished effectively.

[Disco Biscuit]

Can I ask a question?

Something I'm always curious about when I see these types of threads.

Is it only victims of sex trafficking we should be concerned about? Are the other types of trafficking not important once it's not people being forced to work as escorts against their will?

Take the drugs biz for instance.

There have been a few threads going back the last 6 months or so about escorts who take recreational drugs or when you arrive for appointments and the escort is clearly under the influence or something. (I can't be arsed looking for the relevant links at the moment). I think some escorts did have the backbone to say "yeah, i like the odd spliff or line of coke now and again"

But I seem to recall at the time when these threads were posted, that escorts said what they did in their own free time was nobody's business and clients shouldn't be poking their noses in, which is fair enough.

But I'm wondering, for those escorts here pontificating about trafficked girls and taking the moral high ground (and this obviously only applies to those escorts who like to indulge in recreational drug use) and telling clients to get a backbone, what is the difference between someone who has been enslaved, trafficked and forced to work as drug mule so you can have your lines of coke, pop your pills and smoke your spliffs and someone who has been trafficked into prostitution?

Isn't it bascially the same thing? Someone from South America or Afghanistan who has had their little farm seized by drug cartels for cocoa or poppy plantations, someone who's family have been threatened unless they work as drug mule, people who are kidnapped and forced to do these things or worse again, the thousands of people who are murdered every year, all so people can get high on the weekend for the laugh?

Are you not just as guilty of trafficking like the pimps who traffic girls? Kinda smacks of hypocrisy to me.

Obviously, like I said, that only applies to those escorts who indulge in recreational drug use and isn't intended to offend those who have never touched drugs.

[Zoidberg]

Can I ask a question?

Something I'm always curious about when I see these types of threads.

Is it only victims of sex trafficking we should be concerned about? Are the other types of trafficking not important once it's not people being forced to work as escorts against their will?

Take the drugs biz for instance.

There have been a few threads going back the last 6 months or so about escorts who take recreational drugs or when you arrive for appointments and the escort is clearly under the influence or something. (I can't be arsed looking for the relevant links at the moment). I think some escorts did have the backbone to say "yeah, i like the odd spliff or line of coke now and again"

But I seem to recall at the time when these threads were posted, that escorts said what they did in their own free time was nobody's business and clients shouldn't be poking their noses in, which is fair enough.

But I'm wondering, for those escorts here pontificating about trafficked girls and taking the moral high ground (and this obviously only applies to those escorts who like to indulge in recreational drug use) and telling clients to get a backbone, what is the difference between someone who has been enslaved, trafficked and forced to work as drug mule so you can have your lines of coke, pop your pills and smoke your spliffs and someone who has been trafficked into prostitution?

Isn't it bascially the same thing? Someone from South America or Afghanistan who has had their little farm seized by drug cartels for cocoa or poppy plantations, someone who's family have been threatened unless they work as drug mule, people who are kidnapped and forced to do these things or worse again, the thousands of people who are murdered every year, all so people can get high on the weekend for the laugh?

Are you not just as guilty of trafficking like the pimps who traffic girls? Kinda smacks of hypocrisy to me.

Obviously, like I said, that only applies to those escorts who indulge in recreational drug use and isn't intended to offend those who have never touched drugs.

you make a really valid point, but I think that seeing as this is an escort website it's probably best to stick to things that effect escorting, sure there are too many problems in the world for us to solve all of them.

[Rachel Divine]

I posted the links - not to have an argument or score points, just to show that there have been convictions for trafficking in Northern Ireland recently.

Mr Pis was convicted under the trafficking legislation. Although the women in the case said they were not held against their will, the judge mentioned Mr Pis' active involvement in their prostitution and level of financial gain in sentencing him.
He did plead guilty to trafficking 2 persons into the uk for the purposes of sexual exploitation
http://ec.europa.eu/anti-trafficking...Matyas+Pis.pdf

The incident referred to in Armagh involved a woman who was abducted and held for 28 hours during which time she was beaten and gang raped by a number of Lithuanian men and was quite widely reported .
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/su...?service=Print

We are very familiar in Northern Ireland with a culture where organised paramilitary gangs operate within local communities. Historically its common knowledge that on both sides they have been involved in controlling prostitution/ drugs /money laundering and the list is endless. How can you ask people to give evidence against these gangs when their families lives would be put at risk? To quote a well known local politician " they havent gone away you know"
The same goes for these other gangs that operate from Asia, Africa and Europe into Ireland and Northern Ireland.

All I can do is hope that the systems and networks will be put in place so that victims will be supported and the offenders punished effectively.

If a client rings the police (the ones are hand in hand with those gangs) explain them his concern over a potential coerced escort , I think he will be in more troubles than the girl... and the fella s family ..

[Rachel Divine]

you make a really valid point, but I think that seeing as this is an escort website it's probably best to stick to things that effect escorting, sure there are too many problems in the world for us to solve all of them.

Escorts using drugs and or alcohol has to do with escorting and as an escort website/forum why not talk about it?

Is it taboo subject?

[Disco Biscuit]

you make a really valid point, but I think that seeing as this is an escort website it's probably best to stick to things that effect escorting, sure there are too many problems in the world for us to solve all of them.

I get what you're saying and im not trying to deflect the thread to another of the worlds problems, but to me trafficking is trafficking, whether it's prostitution or not. It's more the double standards expressed by certain posters here that is quite staggering when they are just as guilty of another form of trafficking as pimps, but it appears that isnt as important or they are less guilty than clients because it's not prostitutes they are trafficking.

[Zoidberg]

Escorts using drugs and or alcohol has to do with escorting and as an escort website/forum why not talk about it?

Is it taboo subject?

The reason a forum has separate threads is to keep certain things on topic. I suppose you could always start a new thread about drug abuse in escorts. As for it being a taboo subject I suppose that's up to the forum moderators and other escorts.

I get what you're saying and im not trying to deflect the thread to another of the worlds problems, but to me trafficking is trafficking, whether it's prostitution or not. It's more the double standards expressed by certain posters here that is quite staggering when they are just as guilty of another form of trafficking as pimps, but it appears that isnt as important or they are less guilty than clients because it's not prostitutes they are trafficking.

I completely agree with what you are saying about trafficking and no one should be subjected to torture be it physical or mental for someones else's gratification (unless it's BDSM ), so yes, people that condone human trafficking so they can get their line of charlie then slam trafficking of people for sex are complete hypocrites. But I suppose those trafficking drugs aren't getting raped multiple times a day by a string of punters that they don't want to fuck.

[Naughtynatalie]

Can I ask a question?

Something I'm always curious about when I see these types of threads.

Is it only victims of sex trafficking we should be concerned about? Are the other types of trafficking not important once it's not people being forced to work as escorts against their will?

Take the drugs biz for instance.

There have been a few threads going back the last 6 months or so about escorts who take recreational drugs or when you arrive for appointments and the escort is clearly under the influence or something. (I can't be arsed looking for the relevant links at the moment). I think some escorts did have the backbone to say "yeah, i like the odd spliff or line of coke now and again"

But I seem to recall at the time when these threads were posted, that escorts said what they did in their own free time was nobody's business and clients shouldn't be poking their noses in, which is fair enough.

But I'm wondering, for those escorts here pontificating about trafficked girls and taking the moral high ground (and this obviously only applies to those escorts who like to indulge in recreational drug use) and telling clients to get a backbone, what is the difference between someone who has been enslaved, trafficked and forced to work as drug mule so you can have your lines of coke, pop your pills and smoke your spliffs and someone who has been trafficked into prostitution?

Isn't it bascially the same thing? Someone from South America or Afghanistan who has had their little farm seized by drug cartels for cocoa or poppy plantations, someone who's family have been threatened unless they work as drug mule, people who are kidnapped and forced to do these things or worse again, the thousands of people who are murdered every year, all so people can get high on the weekend for the laugh?

Are you not just as guilty of trafficking like the pimps who traffic girls? Kinda smacks of hypocrisy to me.

Obviously, like I said, that only applies to those escorts who indulge in recreational drug use and isn't intended to offend those who have never touched drugs.

Says the man named after an ecstasy tablet

I do see where your coming from but there is trafficking happening wherever there is commercial profit, abhorrent to say the least. But we can only try to help in the industry that we know of.

A year or 2 ago in the uk, cant remember if it was essex or kent but about 20 trafficked victims where found living in what can only be described as a tiny squalid hut and were forced to work in the fields picking fruit and vegetables.. absolutely shocking but my point is does that mean we shouldnt eat fruit and veg.

What about the kids in slave labour in asia making trainers, shoes and clothing for the western world?? Do you buy those clothes?

I'm not having a go at you DB and I am an occasional cannabis smoker but the stuff I smoke tends to come from the UK apart from my twice yearly trip to amsterdam.

All human trafficking under any guise is vile and the traffickers should be hung, drawn & quartered but I am not in an industry that can do more to help all of them. But through clients being more vigilante and being brave enough to report any suspicions they may have and through escorts speaking up & trying to stop the new legislation going through, maybe in time we can all help to cut down on trafficking within the sex industry.

Nat x

[La Toya]

Hun,you are really tense regarding these topic..the fact is which l do not believe that it is exciting yet maybe there's as no one could really force anyone to do the job..thats my opionion yet as l stated before the Press and The Press and Media are the Communications Department hope you have a glue what l mean,lol, sorry...,,

No, I havent met every sex worker neither did you.
On the last big raids , the police did met many of the sex workers in Ireland and even if it was a check up and not went for anyone in particular, they did not found any escort tied to the radiator ...
Were are the convictions on human trafficking for the last 2 -3 years?

[Disco Biscuit]

Says the man named after an ecstasy tablet

I do see where your coming from but there is trafficking happening wherever there is commercial profit, abhorrent to say the least. But we can only try to help in the industry that we know of.

A year or 2 ago in the uk, cant remember if it was essex or kent but about 20 trafficked victims where found living in what can only be described as a tiny squalid hut and were forced to work in the fields picking fruit and vegetables.. absolutely shocking but my point is does that mean we shouldnt eat fruit and veg.

What about the kids in slave labour in asia making trainers, shoes and clothing for the western world?? Do you buy those clothes?

I'm not having a go at you DB and I am an occasional cannabis smoker but the stuff I smoke tends to come from the UK apart from my twice yearly trip to amsterdam.

All human trafficking under any guise is vile and the traffickers should be hung, drawn & quartered but I am not in an industry that can do more to help all of them. But through clients being more vigilante and being brave enough to report any suspicions they may have and through escorts speaking up & trying to stop the new legislation going through, maybe in time we can all help to cut down on trafficking within the sex industry.

Nat x

Totally agree with you Natalie 100% and I know I play a part somehow because I also too have used recreational drugs so I am guilty myself and hold my hands up, like you say, I even chose my name based on drug slang.

But I don't come on here and then take the moral high ground (I'm not saying you are one of the people that have, you're definitely not, I actually really respect your honesty) and slate clients who might have seen trafficked ladies and create threads about it when those that have are just as guilty of trafficking, albeit in a different way.