Thread: Should Queen Elizabeth be invited to Ireland?

She can wait as long as she wants but theres only room for one Queen here, end off!

Originally Posted by El Gordo

So what was the conclusion of all this? Is E-I sending her an invitation, or no? I hear she is waiting anxiously.

You go girl! show then who's Queen

Originally Posted by Forrest

I'm sorry you feel that way QPH. I agree the United Kingdom and their monarchists have created havoc around the globe for centuries. I have read several books about the famine and other historical events that the Brits have been responsible for but we need to be more mature in our attitude and show that we, as a Nation, will always be better people than they will ever be.

I have no problem at all with moving on and forget all that baggage of history but first step in something as huge as the Monarch of the country in whose name so much was done here setting foot in an official capacity is for her as head of state and a direct decendent of those that ruled here is a simple sorry beforehand or as part of the state visit. I have no problem her being here in an unofficial visit but when its a state visit it changes everything.

What nation on earth would welcome the head of state and decendent of someone who ruled a nation that was 8 million strong and today is still only half that and that loss of life is comparable with the holocaust and took place over a similar timescale and not expect an apology after how long now have we been waiting? 160 years or so.

Would Isreal welcome a decendent of Hitler on a state visit without even an apology before he or she arrived if he had not been defeated? I am not comparing the monarchy to the 3rd reich I am simply stating that loss of life was on a similar scale and the UK did very little in the way of easing it, they in fact sent troops to defend the ships being loaded with Irish grain being loaded in the docks and keep the starving away.

Originally Posted by Quarterpoundher

I have no problem at all with moving on and forget all that baggage of history but first step in something as huge as the Monarch of the country in whose name so much was done here setting foot in an official capacity is for her as head of state and a direct decendent of those that ruled here is a simple sorry beforehand or as part of the state visit. I have no problem her being here in an unofficial visit but when its a state visit it changes everything.

What nation on earth would welcome the head of state and decendent of someone who ruled a nation that was 8 million strong and today is still only half that and that lose of life is comparable with the holocaust and took place over a similar timescale and not expect an apology after how long now have we been waiting? 160 years or so.

Would Isreal welcome a decendent of Hitler on a state visit without even an apology before he or she arrived if he had not been defeated? I am not comparing the monarchy to the 3rd reich I am simply stating that loss of life was on a similar scale and the UK did very little in the way of easing it, they in fact sent troops to defend the ships being loaded with Irish grain being loaded in the docks and keep the starving away.

things are a bit scarce once more.
this influential lady should come and enjoy ireland, speak about her time/welcome to the international media-
very good for tourism- what i believe to be a good bet for the future as well as other industries.

Originally Posted by Forrest

You are worse than an Elephant. Build a bridge ffs!!!

Its for the UK if they wish to send herself over here to lay the foundations for that bridge, that means her saying sorry on behalf of the UK as its head of state, we as a nation would be selling out all that went before us if we rolled over and pretended that a sorry is not needed first. Is it so much to ask that she do that? It would turn my stomach to her arse licked everwhere she went here if that was not said and we as a nation can be the greatest bunch of lick arses when it comes to the upper levels of the UK establishment I have seen it many times.

Originally Posted by warmcome

things are a bit scarce once more.
this influential lady should come and enjoy ireland, speak about her time/welcome to the international media-
very good for tourism- what i believe to be a good bet for the future as well as other industries.

Yeah that old boot looking down her nose at us for a few days will get us out of the recession in a jiffy. Forget about the principle of a simple sorry as long as the local shop sells a few extra cones to the tourists...

Question on protocol...

Who here who consider themselves Irish would bow or lower your head to her?

Originally Posted by Quarterpoundher

Yeah that old boot looking down her nose at us for a few days will get us out of the recession in a jiffy. Forget about the principle of a simple sorry as long as the local shop sells a few extra cones to the tourists...

Question on protocol...

Who here who consider themselves Irish would bow or lower your head to her?

Very true! It was her own cousin lord Mountbatten that would order the setting up of a union jack at either end of a section of mullaghmore beach and no Irish man, woman or child was allowed to set foot or cross that section! And that was only back in the late 1970's! It showed that the colonial view was still held strongly and that the locals were peasants. There is no need to set out an invite or welcome. They gave up that privilege with their behaviour. If she comes, it should be with a low head asking forgiveness with no pomp or ceromony.

Originally Posted by Derry lad

Very true! It was her own cousin lord Mountbatten that would order the setting up of a union jack at either end of a section of mullaghmore beach and no Irish man, woman or child was allowed to set foot or cross that section! And that was only back in the late 1970's! It showed that the colonial view was still held strongly and that the locals were peasants. There is no need to set out an invite or welcome. They gave up that privilege with their behaviour. If she comes, it should be with a low head asking forgiveness with no pomp or ceromony.

Jesus H!!!! On an Irish sovereign coast, and I bet that a few of the locals probably let him get away with it unchallenged and dipped the cap Irish RM style into the bargain. The area between low water and highwater mark in the state of Ireland it open access to "everyone" no one can stop you walking on it (at low tide obviously unless you are Jesus). However high the highest tide reaches is where public right of access stops and private property starts. I would have made it my daily endeavor to walk that beach everytime he was there.

Originally Posted by warmcome

things are a bit scarce once more.
this influential lady should come and enjoy ireland, speak about her time/welcome to the international media-
very good for tourism- what i believe to be a good bet for the future as well as other industries.

I think u are wrong in this and my reasons for this I have stated earlier in the thread. Glasgow Rangers would pull a bigger crowd! She is a spent force with no appeal to the majority of people anywhere in the world. Fair play to Quarter Poundher, he is right in everything he has said and had the balls to say.

Originally Posted by Derry lad

I think u are wrong in this and my reasons for this I have stated earlier in the thread. Glasgow Rangers would pull a bigger crowd! She is a spent force with no appeal to the majority of people anywhere in the world. Fair play to Quarter Poundher, he is right in everything he has said and had the balls to say.

The sad thing is I think that she would draw a crowd from a mixture of Irish who really want to be English, upperclass/establishment (I see it all the time with paddys dressed up like lord muck on hunt day and in boilersuits the rest of the year) and people who have no small clue about what the gang that she is the latest head honcho have done over the years and forced on us.

Think about it... a country that has more rain then the Amazon and known as the land of 40 shades of green and some of the most fertile land in the western world had a famine that did away with 50% of the population.

How the hell did that happen?... It happened ONLY because we were forced to survive on such small plots of land (while vast estates were owned by the gentry) that the most productive food for that area to grow was the potatoe, the soot from the chimney suited it as a fertilizer for a start as if you owned a horse you were taxed on that so could not use manure and when that crop failed we had fuck all else to turn to...

It was this battleaxes relations that forced that famine on us and some want her to set foot here without even saying sorry!!!!

You should hang your heads in shame and beg forgiveness from you ancestors if you are Irish...